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Yeah... the EBX prefix is really just part of the catalogue number. I don't think it was ever intended to be the actual name of the series - it's just that
it was featured as part of the design of the original single box sets and it's sort of retrospectively become the name of them.

I think the sets were just called 'Erasure 1', 'Erasure 2' etc at the time (not very inspiring for sure), with each disc being called EBX 1.1, EBX 1.2 etc.

EBX was just a shorthand way to refer to them which has kind of stuck.



Well, did anyone not think the BX meant box?  

Yeah, FMTM using the prefix seemed to be the last nail in the coffin of continuing the singles series, but look at this now. I suppose if WE ALL BUY THIS AND STREAM IT we "might" get a physical boxed version...who knows.

I should also point out there was somewhat of a precedent in the ERAS series also diverging from it's format with, ironically, it's fifth release ERAS5 (The radio promo version of Pop!).


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Mute royally messed up the nice matrix they had for catalog numbers. I think the only logic now is that all Erasure albums end in 5- STUMM 25 for Wonderland in 1985 to STUMM 435 World Be Live. Pretty good that they always reserved that 5 spot on all albums


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Now THAT is OCD I can respect.  


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Yeah, FMTM using the prefix seemed to be the last nail in the coffin of continuing the singles series, but look at this now. I suppose if WE ALL BUY THIS AND STREAM IT we "might" get a physical boxed version...who knows.


That's been my thinking over the last few years.  "If I don't support [this current item] now, we won't ever get [even better item] later."

I've been waiting for more EBX collections (on CD, not streaming) and album re-issues for YEARS, and this one-two punch with these half-assed releases tells me all my support and waiting and hoping for good news was all in vain.  I'm totally crestfallen and I feel stupid for ever having been optimistic.


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BMG has no loyalty to the historical sequence of the Mute Catalog historical sequence. They will use it but without logic hence what is applied here already.

Mute screwed up the great ERAS promo series after 4


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That's been my thinking over the last few years.  "If I don't support [this current item] now, we won't ever get [even better item] later."

I've been waiting for more EBX collections (on CD, not streaming) and album re-issues for YEARS, and this one-two punch with these half-assed releases tells me all my support and waiting and hoping for good news was all in vain.  I'm totally crestfallen and I feel stupid for ever having been optimistic.


I understand your frustration, but I haven't exactly drank the kool-aid on being slightly more upbeat.

The argument is that labels/groups/distributors will take notice of a new release not selling well as a sign to revise their stance and invest more in production and in curating the next such release.

As I typed that, I almost laughed. Really.

I think I'm the greater cynic here in that I think the only avenue to future releases even coming close to what we really want is sales. In my view, sales, with additional feedback via email/mail/social media, will be taken in greater consideration compared to steep dropoffs in sales, even with similar feedback. The latter action implies more risk of investment in those future releases; most especially to those non-creative types in charge of the money.

Show the BMG suits that Erasure/Yazoo fans weren't there for a release, and I'd expect that revenue to be shifted towards some other "surer" thing - more likely than not, not even a Mute catalogue artist.

Right now we have a price-fixed, keep that in mind, release (Wild! reissue) which they likely feel has a better chance at doing well. I fully believe that choice was due to the more lukewarm response to Four/Three Pieces, and even FMTM. I'm not saying we should blame ourselves at all, but I do think this is the way those in power see this.

As for me, for all its faults, I think the true Pledge-based system of exclusive tiered releases, rather than the first availability of a destined commercial release alone, might be the best option here. We certainly know my dream boxsets might not fly off the shelves in the thousands that a Springsteen (blech) one will, but one accompanied later by a more modest mass-market release might. That is, if we commit from the outset.

Obviously, here with the EBX series boxsets, their original nature and format makes production easier than album reissues which call for a bit more of a unique approach each time (at least hoped to be). However, do remember that there was a fair amount of displeasure at that original format, as it was considered a "corner-cutting" response to the DMBX sets which were full-on singles sets. I was in that camp, and actually would still love to see the same care taken going forward.


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I think I'm the greater cynic here in that I think the only avenue to future releases even coming close to what we really want is sales. In my view, sales, with additional feedback via email/mail/social media, will be taken in greater consideration compared to steep dropoffs in sales, even with similar feedback. The latter action implies more risk of investment in those future releases; most especially to those non-creative types in charge of the money.

Show the BMG suits that Erasure/Yazoo fans weren't there for a release, and I'd expect that revenue to be shifted towards some other "surer" thing - more likely than not, not even a Mute catalogue artist.


Surely, I agree that sales will drive any business's decisions.  But if they don't offer what people want, they can't expect the sales.  It puts me, as the lowly consumer, in a Catch 22 with regards to Erasure releases.  Do I buy something to help support them when it's not exactly what I want, or do I not buy it to show them it's not exactly what I want?  No, I haven't purchased every Erasure release on release day (like the Always Best of), but I generally do, even when I feel the track listing is lacking.  

Back to the EBX6 collection - as we know, it is already incomplete and I find that so frustrating.  It could be argued that Mute/BMG are not continuing with the physical CD releases because all of the mixes and b-sides wont fit onto 1 CD (ie, I Love Saturday).  But if they are going digital only, there's no reason ANY track should be missing since there is no 80 minute CD time constraint.  (Of course, they could spread those over 2 discs)

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but EBX6 is also missing Fingers & Thumbs (Electrofinger Dub) - though it technically wasn't released with the F&T singles, it was released officially with the FMTM pre-orders and should be included imo.


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Surely, I agree that sales will drive any business's decisions.  But if they don't offer what people want, they can't expect the sales.  It puts me, as the lowly consumer, in a Catch 22 with regards to Erasure releases.  Do I buy something to help support them when it's not exactly what I want, or do I not buy it to show them it's not exactly what I want?  No, I haven't purchased every Erasure release on release day (like the Always Best of), but I generally do, even when I feel the track listing is lacking.


Well, when it comes down to "supporting the band", buying the new single and album when it counts...counts. All else, in my view, is for personal enjoyment. V&A are living fairly well, and I suspect can still live a comfortable life (far more than mine) on proceeds from the existing catalogue.

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Back to the EBX6 collection - as we know, it is already incomplete and I find that so frustrating.  It could be argued that Mute/BMG are not continuing with the physical CD releases because all of the mixes and b-sides wont fit onto 1 CD (ie, I Love Saturday).  But if they are going digital only, there's no reason ANY track should be missing since there is no 80 minute CD time constraint.  (Of course, they could spread those over 2 discs)

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but EBX6 is also missing Fingers & Thumbs (Electrofinger Dub) - though it technically wasn't released with the F&T singles, it was released officially with the FMTM pre-orders and should be included imo.


Agreed, that the whole "kit and kaboodle' ought to go in; especially if it's digital-only. The established constraints of the original series need not be adhered to now.

However, if Mute/BMG somehow felt so hamstrung by the previous format (again, laughing here) so as to not continue due to the tracklistings for EBX6 and so on, I'd be on board for a reboot as I suggested earlier (DM-style).


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Quoted from glazball
...if they are going digital only, there's no reason ANY track should be missing since there is no 80 minute CD time constraint.  (Of course, they could spread those over 2 discs).


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Agreed, that the whole "kit and kaboodle' ought to go in; especially if it's digital-only. The established constraints of the original series need not be adhered to now.


As as I said elsewhere, my belief is that these types of things are compiled from things that have already been digitally mastered so no extra
work/cost is required (notice how only the single versions are listed as having been re-mastered?
It's because they were already done for Total Pop).

And yet...

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Intergalactic Mix on the RttS US promo and BYSS on the ILS US single.

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The Interglactix Mix also appears in the Belgian and Scandinavian CD Single.. And UK promos:


... they still managed to leave those off, even when they have the digitally mastered resources to include them!


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True Love Wars (Omni Plus) from "Stay with me" 12" also not included. Shame!


It is a shame, and yet we have both the Twilight 2.0 AND Twilight Plus mixes of Fingers & Thumbs

As the latter is only longer by virtue of not fading our early, the former could have been left out entirely. It maybe makes some sense for both to
exist when they're divided onto separate discs*, but surely not on the same compilation!

But again, the reason I think the True Love Wars Omni Plus isn't included is due to the lack of any previous digitally mastered version.


*(although I was bit disappointed by that 'trick' even at the time!)


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Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but EBX6 is also missing Fingers & Thumbs (Electrofinger Dub) - though it technically wasn't released with the F&T singles, it was released officially with the FMTM pre-orders and should be included imo.


What?!! And totally undermine what actually turned out to be one of the very few 'exclusives' as part of that purchase?!!

Seriously though I wouldn't object if they did included it (and if it was a matter of 'virtual room' just drop Twilight 2.0!), but wouldn't that make it
inconsistent with previous EBX releases? I don't recall there been anything that was not released as part of the official singles making its way
into those boxsets.
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