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Be careful what you wish for, indeed!  I boycotted this release.

What really pisses me off is that many of us were hoping for Be Careful as a single, and we got the crappy JALL instead.  Mute sells us a CD single filled with mostly forgettable JALL mixes knowing the whole time that Be Careful mixes were in the works (which I assume have GOT to be better mixes than JALL mixes).

Like Mr First said, after throwing money after money to buy and then rebuy everything Erasure (ie, FM2M), I'm losing my taste for this money-grabbing crap.  If we get these released as a single that everyone can (reasonably) purchase, I'll get them.  If not, I'll just have to live without them.


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I've never Seen the point of these import releases like the Czech release of rock me gently(reasonably priced by the way)or is there reason behind these releases cos neither country is noted for its erasure popularity(if anyone could enlighten on this much obliged)or is just mutes sinister way of driving us fans into a frenzy every time something new is released
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I've never Seen the point of these import releases like the Czech release of rock me gently(reasonably priced by the way)or is there reason behind these releases cos neither country is noted for its erasure popularity(if anyone could enlighten on this much obliged)or is just mutes sinister way of driving us fans into a frenzy every time something new is released


Well the German/Czech release of Rock Me Gently was just a single, you didn't have to buy the whole album again. Though it flopped in both countries, it was well worth a try and we got some good stuff on those discs.
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I don't know if it was accurate or speculation, but the idea at the time was that Rock Me Gently, with all the long mixes and long running time, was not going to be able to make the UK singles chart, so Mute let their new Czech offices release it.  Germany also got a CD single because Germans seem to get everything electronic music related!

This Greek WBG simply makes no sense to me.  My best, cynical guess is that Be Careful was considered but scrapped as a single, so someone decided to print a few CDs of the mixes, package it with the album (that by now everyone has at least 1 copy of) and charge a premium price.

I know there are many fans who, no matter what is released, are just going to open their wallet and pay whatever it costs.  I know some of you here bought this, and I'm not faulting you by any means, but I personally am just tired of rewarding this kind of behavior.  Looks like my boycott was rather useless though since obviously it sold out before even Richard could mention it in the weekly newsletter!

Just tacky.

And I have to wonder what other WBG repackagings we'll get next year around tour time!  You know they are cooking up something.


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Well, I like Marsheaux, and I'm deciding to, for the moment, feel positive about being hoodwinked into laying down my cash for this.

Still, while I get your point, this is not nearly as egregious as the multiple digital editions of Electric Blue being spaced out as they were, and it's pretty on par with what the Japanese labels had done in the heyday (and still occasionally get up to) of Britpop popularity. Put simply, this niche market really doesn't exist as it did then, and most licensed labels don't attempt to do it...if they even try to license a release these days. UNDO is an anomaly here in their attempt to corner the remaining "expanded import" market when it comes to Erasure. In fact, I kind of applaud them for trying to do something so nostalgic and succeeding (Unlike other true cashgrabs like Intervention with their Wonderland Sire LP reissue). I wish I could walk into Tower or HMV and find a copy in the Imports section.  


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I've never Seen the point of these import releases like the Czech release of rock me gently(reasonably priced by the way)or is there reason behind these releases cos neither country is noted for its erasure popularity(if anyone could enlighten on this much obliged)or is just mutes sinister way of driving us fans into a frenzy every time something new is released


I don't know to be honest. It might be a condition of getting Undo to take on the album's greek release/distribution that small labels provide them with the chance to do something exclusive. I know it's not just Mute, 100% records (home of OMD since they reformed) agreed to a similar 'greek only edition' of their first reunion album, (the brilliant) History of Modern; that came with 2 or 3 bonus remixes (again, including one by Undo's own act Marsheaux) and that came in very nice different packaging (black sturdy slipcase sealed with a printed logo'd ribbon and a wax seal with the OMD logo on).  So I'd guess it is something like that. I guess having exclusive content helps Undo because it widens their potential sales audience up to fans around the world also wanting it. And who knows, that might make the difference between it being worth Undo's while to get it printed up and not, numbers-wise.
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I don't know if it was accurate or speculation, but the idea at the time was that Rock Me Gently, with all the long mixes and long running time, was not going to be able to make the UK singles chart, so Mute let their new Czech offices release it.  Germany also got a CD single because Germans seem to get everything electronic music related!


And I have to wonder what other WBG repackagings we'll get next year around tour time!  You know they are cooking up something.


The way Rock Me Gently was released was, I heard, Mute decided it wasn't financially worth risking good money after bad on a third UK domestic single after the first two had underperformed here quite badly (by Erasure's standards at that time), but that the album project had done OK in some continental territories (Czech Republic and a little later Germany and the Netherlands with the 4-track CD format).

The UK chart rules at that time allowed for an EP CD (the insistence on having to have a 2-track '7inch content amount' CD single as part of the formats mix came later) which could have up to 4 tracks and could contain songs other than just the A-side, but couldn't exceed either 4 tracks and 20 mins. The German and Dutch 4-track CD would have allowed for that, no problem. Then, you were also allowed a remixes CD and that had a more generous 40 minutes max run time, providing you didn't  include anything except versions of just the A-side track. You could release both and indeed, that's the pattern the UK releases of Stay with Me and Fingers and Thumbs followed. I suspect the German/Dutch 4-track would have been the UK 'CDMute xxx' and then the 4 mixes exclusive to the Czech CD (i.e. excluding the 7" mix of RMG and Chertsey Endlos) would have made up the UK 'LCD Mute xxx'.

In other words, there would have been no problem splitting the total of 8 different tracks and mixes that exist across all RMG EU formats into a permutation that was in keeping with all other 'Erasure' album singles, and keeping within the chart rules. And so I'd heard the import of (I think I was told by the EIS) 5,000 copies of the Czech CD into the UK for distribution to larger record stores like Virgin and HMV as 'Import' was a gesture to keep UK fans happy. But not to do with track lengths and    prevailing chart rules.

Also - something tells me you may well be right about there being a collectible/expanded/re-released format of the WBG album to coincide with the tour. I know nothing whatsoever by the way, so i'm not dropping hints when I say that, I don't know any - but my gut-feel says I think you could well be right on that one.
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My recollection was that it had something to do with the fact that Erasure had had an unbroken string of Top 20 hits going back to "Sometimes," and that this would be preserved by not releasing "Rock Me Gently." in the UK.  "Fingers and Thumbs" only made #20, and they did manage to go one further with "In My Arms."  
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My recollection was that it had something to do with the fact that Erasure had had an unbroken string of Top 20 hits going back to "Sometimes," and that this would be preserved by not releasing "Rock Me Gently." in the UK.  "Fingers and Thumbs" only made #20, and they did manage to go one further with "In My Arms."  


I remember something to this effect. But oddly enough they did a real high quality professional video for RMG and this  to me one of their best videos too.


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I remember something to this effect. But oddly enough they did a real high quality professional video for RMG and this  to me one of their best videos too.


Yes, but maybe they had made the video while preparing the release, then changed their minds.  It is a good video, though.  
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Yes, but maybe they had made the video while preparing the release, then changed their minds.  It is a good video, though.  


The video was made for a UK release or was it all along for the Czech/ German release?


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The video was made for a UK release or was it all along for the Czech/ German release?


That's a very good question,the video for RMG was argualbly one of their finest (some are real stinkers not mentioning any names Star/Elevation) it does beg the question why spend what looks like a very big budget on a very small release?,maybe it was earmarked for a wider release?



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Both Erasure and Depeche Mode have missed the boat on RSD. They have their perfect target audience just waiting for Anything- Globally!! Yes the numbers aren't large but it always keeps the hardcore fans buying from their favorite groups. As Mark mentioned already, we should have had many cool things done already. Hope they do something for 2018


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That's a very good question,the video for RMG was argualbly one of their finest (some are real stinkers not mentioning any names Star/Elevation) it does beg the question why spend what looks like a very big budget on a very small release?,maybe it was earmarked for a wider release?



I'd always assumed the RMG video was shot before they decided to scale back the planned full-scale UK release (CD, LCD, 12" etc.) to the more limited formats and countries?
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