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Hi,
I'll update here with promos/items I know/think is fake/unofficial stuff, and not written as unofficial.....please ask questions and/or correct me if you know I'm wrong!!
....I'm not after bootleg fabric pressed CD's which I think will be another issue

Here is some, will update later on:

Erasure ‎– Snow Globe (PRO-CDSTUMM365)
http://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Snow-Globe/release/5396589

Shelter ft. Andy Bell - iPop (PRO-CDR-IPOP-001).....seen on ebay/discogs, with nice artwork/plastic sleeve so it looks like a real promo

Erasure - Gaudete (RCD MUTE 509) .....seen on ebay/discogs, with nice artwork/plastic sleeve so it looks like a real promo (says unofficial on discogs)

Erasure - The Violet Flame (DJ Mix) 1 track promo .....seen on ebay/discogs, with nice artwork/plastic sleeve so it looks like a real promo

Erasure - Sacred (14 track CD-R in pvc-sleeve)....seen on ebay... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Erasure-sacred-promo-/172241944675?hash=item281a6b8063:g:GOkAAOSwxcRW-~E2

Erasure - The Violet Flame (Remixes)  6 track promo .....seen on ebay/discogs, with nice artwork/plastic sleeve so it looks like a real promo

Erasure - Chains Of Love + Oh L'amour (Almighty remixes) 6 + 4 tracks  .....seen on ebay/discogs, with plastic sleeves so it looks like real promos

Erasure ‎– Make It Wonderful (RCD MUTE 510)
http://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Make-It-Wonderful/release/5379784

Erasure - Sometimes 2015 (RCD MUTESO15) 8 track promo .....seen on ebay/discogs, with artwork/plastic sleeve so it looks like a real promo

Shelter ft. Andy bell (white disc with two tracks) Remixes - Beautiful (extended mix) & In Somebody's Arms (extended mix)

Dave Aude ft Andy Bell - True Original (8 track CDR) promo

Erasure - Chains Of Love (4 tracks)/Oh L'amour (4 tracks) Almighty remixes (8 track CDR) promo ..... be aware, it's not official

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Love-To-Hate-You-Joe-T-Vanelli-Mixes-Promo-Cdr/release/9823755
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Pop-Treasure/release/9707561
https://www.discogs.com/Erasur.....sing/release/9707474
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Elevation-Reason-Sacred-Test-Pressings/release/9707404
https://www.discogs.com/Madonna-Impressive-Instant-Peter-Rauhofer-Mixes/release/9706751
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Innocents-Remixed-2-Disc-Set/release/9829547

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-A-Little-Respect-2015/release/8161676
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Sacred-Remixes/release/8161628
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Always-The-Very-Best-Remixes/release/8161608
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Elevation-Promo-Remixes/release/8161585
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Snow-Globe-Deluxe-Nutcracker-Edition/release/8161533
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Always-2015/release/8161428

https://www.discogs.com/Shelter-feat-Andy-Bell-FriendRemixes/release/9805747
https://www.discogs.com/Andy-Bell-QueercoreThe-Matt-Pop-Remixes/release/9805607
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Gaudete-Remixes/release/6053985
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Elevation-Promo-Remixes/release/8161585
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Snow-Globe-Deluxe-Nutcracker-Edition/release/8161491
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Sometimes-2015-Remixes/release/8161688
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Violet-Flame-Exclusive-Remixes/release/8161698
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-In-My-Arms-Dekkards-Remix/release/8564416
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Reason/release/8683955

under suspicion:
?? http://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Be-With-You/release/4101930 ??
?? https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Light-At-The-End-Of-The-World/release/8797184 ??
?? https://www.discogs.com/Andy-Bell-Crazy/release/9714642 ??



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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There were fake promos of Snow Globe and the singles previously posted; so post away!
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It saddens me that someone would join a forum to make a quick buck
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If we know they are fake why even show? Especially if someone already admitted to it. I've stopped collecting  promos years ago because technology finally caught up with bootleggers


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i don't mind you posting the details here,who is the member offering fake promos?,i will take action against them (delete) accounts etc i i find this to be true,we do NOT endorse the selling of any fake items here on the Erasure4rum,any items offered for sale must be original copies only this is a place for fans not fakers.


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This is what has saddened me greatly about being a fan-not just of Erasure, but pop music in general.

Making items exclusive or 'promo only' in this day and age is purely just inviting scammers to make a quick buck.

I've really lost interest in keeping any of my collection.... shifted on large swathes of it lately, and have really only kept a few things that hold 'sentimental' value.

If i'd realised the Sometimes 2015 single was going to be so rare I'd have gladly sent the copy I ordered on... Ordered it for old times sakes and gave it to a guy I know who has an interest in the band, but is by no means a big fan. I just had no interest in keeping more clutter

To be honest, I'm glad I spent time and energy building a collection (by no means definitive, but sizeable none the less) but to get shot of it has actually been a pleasure. Hopefully the people who have it get enjoyment out of it.

But folk selling fakes really are scum. Mute (and other record companies) are allowing this to happen, by refusing to release this rare material in any legal capacity. Low quality streams being freely available, and subsequently burned to disk, are still low quality product. And anyone profiteering from it (either through buyers naivety or desire to hold something physical) is just an absolute piece of crap....

I was sorely tempted to make Hi Quality downloads of my collection freely available to anyone who wanted it-because Mute have no apparent desire to profit from it... but the thought of being sued for copyright violations, while a blind eye is turned to scammers, put me off.

I actively hope that whatever Mute have planned for the 'anothology' puts an end to the profiteers in one fell swoop... but the hassles with the US licensing for 'Always TVBO' doesn't make me optimistic.... and the audio issues on several other 'fan collections' make me fear there may be a fair amount of issapointment
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Updated!



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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Quoted from devoleb
Updated!


What did you update, the original list you posted? If so share  


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Quoted from Mikedepaz


What did you update, the original list you posted? If so share  


....hehe Mike...well, it's the first list alright, but still it's an update in this thread with a list at all  



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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New fake promos on ebay, watch out!

Erasure - Ship Of Fools + Sometimes + Run To The Sun EP Albums
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ERAS.....0:g:6FwAAOSw1S9WfBrr



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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Quoted from devoleb
New fake promos on ebay, watch out!

Erasure - Ship Of Fools + Sometimes + Run To The Sun EP Albums
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ERAS.....0:g:6FwAAOSw1S9WfBrr


£26.99 for fakes   Well, I', speechless
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£26.99 for fakes   Well, I', speechless

Yeah lots of money, but I might take this one back, since it could be fabric printed bootlegs silver CD's….and not some fake CD-R's…..hmmm  



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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They've just collected all the official mixes and added a few bootleg mixes probably taken from YouTube to fill them out. I especially like the two same SOF mixes in a row. RC mix is the Rico Conning mix just one second longer come on guys are you stupid?
Not even original artwork.

I've got about 10 promos in the car I use in CD player .......... Oh sorry I mean CD-Rs I burned music onto,my mistake.


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Quoted from Pughie
come on guys are you stupid? Not even original artwork.

…hehe, I think we all know that  

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I've got about 10 promos in the car I use in CD player .......... Oh sorry I mean CD-Rs I burned music onto,my mistake.




My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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it just amazing the amount of crap that exist today I just stop this craziness years ago.


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it just amazing the amount of crap that exist today I just stop this craziness years ago.

Mike I completly understand you…..it's insane how easy it is to make bootlegs and fake stuff. Many don't even care if it's original or not…really scary. On the other hand, I collect, not only for the sake of the music….I collect several bands and I really love to collect artwork also…..my mind is twisted sometimes and I do sometimes buy/trade to get/see how well bootleg/fakes material are made, and I must say some of the work looks pretty good. If nobody were interested in bootlegs/fake stuff it would stop really fast but, some of the rare stuff which is not available no more you can get out there only via those bootlegs, so it's not easy to stop!!

…just a thought…what would happen if all super rare stuff where spread out/made available (for free or a little amount of money) for all, on a Erasure made 'fan friendly site' or something, then all interested only for the music could get it there, and all collectors could continue the hunt for physical copies….then there where no need for all those fake copies  

I admit this idea is crazy somehow, but think again….would be cool if non-released stuff where given away to everybody so nobody could sell it in form of bootlegs 'eh!, but then again there would be less extra material for bonus stuff on future releases   ….hmmmm

I use a lot of time also to add stuff/graphic to discogs.com so it can help other collectors with finding the correct items.



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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Mike I completly understand you…..it's insane how easy it is to make bootlegs and fake stuff. Many don't even care if it's original or not…really scary. On the other hand, I collect, not only for the sake of the music….I collect several bands and I really love to collect artwork also…..my mind is twisted sometimes and I do sometimes buy/trade to get/see how well bootleg/fakes material are made, and I must say some of the work looks pretty good. If nobody were interested in bootlegs/fake stuff it would stop really fast but, some of the rare stuff which is not available no more you can get out there only via those bootlegs, so it's not easy to stop!!

…just a thought…what would happen if all super rare stuff where spread out/made available (for free or a little amount of money) for all, on a Erasure made 'fan friendly site' or something, then all interested only for the music could get it there, and all collectors could continue the hunt for physical copies….then there where no need for all those fake copies  

I admit this idea is crazy somehow, but think again….would be cool if non-released stuff where given away to everybody so nobody could sell it in form of bootlegs 'eh!, but then again there would be less extra material for bonus stuff on future releases   ….hmmmm

I use a lot of time also to add stuff/graphic to discogs.com so it can help other collectors with finding the correct items.


The Twelth of Never compilations from 20 yrs back was a prime example of this idea,and even though it's that long ago I would say about 25% of that release is still un-available.
I suppose it's not still possible with this new anthology coming out,but I won't hold my breath.


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The Twelth of Never compilations from 20 yrs back was a prime example of this idea,and even though it's that long ago I would say about 25% of that release is still un-available.


Yeah, that's right..have forgotten that while writing my previous post....would be awesome if with next (or the next) Erasure release that a bonus disc did contain a big mp3 archive with tons of rare files....I wish



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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I worked extensively with the person who put together Twelfth Of Never Compilations and there were a lot more planned from my archives of material but sadly this ended not the way I wanted. I hope one day again to continue this but the person that was putting this together has moved several times and has a lot of my originals still. at some point it will resume but I don't know when  


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I worked extensively with the person who put together Twelfth Of Never Compilations and there were a lot more planned from my archives of material but sadly this ended not the way I wanted. I hope one day again to continue this but the person that was putting this together has moved several times and has a lot of my originals still. at some point it will resume but I don't know when  

ooohh!!…some extended version of 'Twelfth', could be awesome  



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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Quoted from Mikedepaz
I worked extensively with the person who put together Twelfth Of Never Compilations and there were a lot more planned from my archives of material but sadly this ended not the way I wanted. I hope one day again to continue this but the person that was putting this together has moved several times and has a lot of my originals still. at some point it will resume but I don't know when  


You see Mike it's people like you who make us feel like second class collectors!,I thought I was the number 1 fan until I got the Internet,now I realise I'm an absolute begginer



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Nope Mr Pugh, it's people like all of us that have unique collections far and wide. I would venture to say that all of us have unique material that maybe we will never own but respect everyone's collection for the amount time and effort they put into saving these historical material.

I always love to see everyone collection even if I don't have it. Oddly enough I didn't know that Andy Bell BAF song Breathing was on any compilation until I just recently saw it.


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The thing called the Internet ruined collecting promos etc -  remember the days having to use the telephone ,the one connected to the house and ringing -   Esprit, Lightspeed records, vinyl tap , Rage records (Lee I think the guy who ran it) and waiting for record collector to come out to see what was new etc - ringing up these people weekly and asking what they had etc

I do miss the surprise of hearing a track from a promo cd -  getting the razormaid stuff and music factory etc

Pity some others have cashed in on fans -  Best to buy from here I guess

As for the 12th of never loved it, and the 2nd version - cannot believe its that long ago he made them

I even gave Darren who did the Milton Keynes dvd my eis photos I got and he credited them on the dvd

Lucky for us we have this forum

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Nope Mr Pugh, it's people like all of us that have unique collections far and wide. I would venture to say that all of us have unique material that maybe we will never own but respect everyone's collection for the amount time and effort they put into saving these historical material.

I always love to see everyone collection even if I don't have it. Oddly enough I didn't know that Andy Bell BAF song Breathing was on any compilation until I just recently saw it.



I didn't realize "Breathing" was on U.S. iTunes until this weekend!!  
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I also think this is a fake....look again, the CD-R is white stickered....and the artwork is so different looking compared to the others....what do you think of it....does anybody have this one?

http://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Be-With-You/release/4101930



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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Updated with this one:

Erasure - Chains Of Love (4 tracks)/Oh L'amour (4 tracks) Almighty remixes (8 track CDR) promo ..... be aware, it's not official



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My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
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and what?


and this!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Erasure-Sacred-Remixes-/222101635400?hash=item33b64a0148:g:CJcAAOSwI3RW9EH4

Can't believe you are selling these…..some people do not know they are fake, and you are selling like they are real….how can you do it?!

…and 120 USD…come on!!



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i dont sell
its not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i dont sell
its not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


so sasha59.8903 is not you?



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already NO

Do you mind telling me what your seller name on ebay and discogs are then



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Do you mind telling me what your seller name on ebay and discogs are then


Where did you go?



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to sleep )))) by by


…so you won't tell?  



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150$ for 2 cdr erasure!!!!
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150$ for 2 cdr erasure!!!!

?



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i made u offer  Phantom bride cdr + make me smile (3 tracks ) = 150$
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i made u offer  Phantom bride cdr + make me smile (3 tracks ) = 150$

Thanks but no thanks, not ready to sell any items yet.....it's not easy to keep up with you when you have so many different profiles  

....and it's not cool when you are selling bootleg/fakes without telling....maybe you don't care or understand, but many collectors do care and do not like that you are selling those fake/bootleg CD-R's



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This seller is trying to sell the 14 track fake promo again on ebay....watch out!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Erasure-sacred-promo-/172241944675?hash=item281a6b8063:g:GOkAAOSwxcRW-~E2



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Some sucker will pay it and he will make more


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Onge, do you think you have a basis for a VERO removal request independent of Mute?

Worth a shot, perhaps.

vero@ebay.com


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Onge, do you think you have a basis for a VERO removal request independent of Mute?



You have to be the copyright owner of an item to request the removal of a listing. You can't do it for things you yourself do not own the rights for.
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Considering he can support a claim of being a contributing artist, I though he might have some standing to object.  


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New fake homemade Russian promo, be aware

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222248250864




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It's amazing that this crap gets done.


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If only the seller had lived in a different place in Russia, I would have definitely bought this

To listen to in my holiday home on Mars
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I know that promo mixes have been sent out to clubs etc via download,i don't know if there has been any actual CD copies sent out.


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all tracks official !!!!!
and how can it be fake if all tracks in original format!!!!!!even not mp3 or rips
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all tracks official !!!!!
and how can it be fake if all tracks in original format!!!!!!even not mp3 or rips



All the tracks may well be official but this cd compilation can still be a fake product what do you NOT understand about fake cds?


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all tracks official !!!!!
and how can it be fake if all tracks in original format!!!!!!even not mp3 or rips



The tracks may well be official mixes,but somebody putting them onto a CD and selling it without it being made by Mute/BMG means its a fake.
What do you NOT UNDERSTAND?



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The tracks may well be official mixes


Even that is doubtful.

I just found this on Matt Pop's Facebook where he says:

"I have seen a rather dodgy-looking recent Erasure promo being discussed on Erasure forums and I can assure you that the "Push Me Shove Me" mixes on that were NOT done by me, even though they are called Matt Pop mixes. Someone is taking the mickey, so stay well clear of that one. The only official Matt Pop Erasure remix to date is Heavenly Action, which is included on the upcoming Erasure box set From Moscow To Mars."

https://www.facebook.com/MattP...../?type=3&theater
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Now an actual remix artist is complaining? The hammer really needs to fall. This forum is becoming part of the conversation when it comes to these fakes.


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Now an actual remix artist is complaining? The hammer really needs to fall. This forum is becoming part of the conversation when it comes to these fakes.



Hammer is falling very soon,I don't want to be part of fake promo dealings


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all tracks official !!!!!


Liar liar, pants on fire!



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f*** u DEVOLEB!!!Make ur own business..FREAK..



smirnov has now been removed as a member,and if it wasn't for members like DEVOLEB bringing these items up for scrutiny people would still be getting away with it.

The Erasure4rum does not endorse any type of fake promo CDs,he has been trying to sell these promos on here for too long and never admits the items are fake,now Matt Pop has officially commented that the mix on the above FMTM promo isn't official in any way,so makes that promo item a complete and utter fake/forgery.


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Personally, I'm glad his posts remain as evidence. It's gratifying that he can't come back and delete them. His eBay account, or those accounts selling the same items he tried to sell here, should remain linked to here as one(s) to avoid.

And, though it's been said it might not be successful, I would urge Matt (if you're still reading) to try and file a VERO complaint with eBay nonetheless, as he is a credited artist on those "releases" despite not being the primary one. Creating fictional material seems worse than simply copying actual tracks.

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Personally, I'm glad his posts remain as evidence. It's gratifying that he can't come back and delete them. His eBay account, or those accounts selling the same items he tried to sell here, should remain linked to here as one(s) to avoid.

And, though it's been said it might not be successful, I would urge Matt (if you're still reading) to try and file a VERO complaint with eBay nonetheless, as he is a credited artist on those "releases" despite not being the primary one. Creating fictional material seems worse than simply copying actual tracks.

vero@ebay.com



Ive deleted certain posts but the main are still here,as you say its good to keep an archive of these items for future fan reference


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Hmm, Did you delete links to eBay listings and accounts? The links are important, as they could be material to eBay in shutting down relevant accounts.


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Hmm, Did you delete links to eBay listings and accounts? The links are important, as they could be material to eBay in shutting down relevant accounts.

I have several screen shots from ebay for some of the fake items



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Oh, I assumed as much, but if the offender posted them himself, and there's evidence of that, the history of that, which can be seen by an eBay rep via a link, it can make the difference between suspending an account or not. I wouldn't remove such links at all, as they only serve to tie the noose. It's not my call, of course; just my opinion.

Now, when it comes to deleting posts...there's one on the previous page I'm still surprised to see...but I assume it's your opinion that matters whether that ought to remain!  


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f*** u DEVOLEB!!!Make ur own business..FREAK..


I guess you are thinking of this one above   well, I can take it...this comment really shows how he is. A bit like the stuff he writes to me in emails and PM's around, when I refuse to sell to him. First he is really nice, then he's begging, then he's being aggressive and then he's rude....same stuff everytime  



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...in fact it would be cool if I had a direct mail to a inside Mute worker so I could ask for fake stuff....Mute (and others) could have some interests in that all the fakes on for example discogs could be added a 'unofficial' text?!



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I really think this russian dude DIMA (any many other aliases) is totally out of reach.....he is overloading discogs with fake stuff....can't any body stop him???

He is making/adding so many homemade items (grrrrrrr) and in the first place he don't write it's an unofficial release...only when somebody says it is....unbloodybelievable

Often his first release with a fake item is filled with typos and errors and fans who might not know it's fakes helps him with editing so everything looks correct....kinda funny, but sad really!!

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Oh-LAmour-Radio-Mixes-2003/release/8847050

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Oh-LAmour-Radio-Mixes/release/8671527

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-A-Little-Respect/release/8819404

https://www.discogs.com/Andy-Bell-History-30-Year-Review/release/8898036

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Elevation-Remixes/release/8819545

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-From-Moscow-To-Mars/release/9084666

https://www.discogs.com/Andy-Bell-Larry-Tee-Mattew/release/9374579

https://www.discogs.com/Shelter-feat-Andy-Bell-BeatifulRemixes/release/9466243

https://www.discogs.com/Dave-Audé-Feat-Andy-Bell-True-Original/release/9433768

https://www.discogs.com/Dave-Audé-Feat-Andy-Bell-Aftermath-Here-We-Go-The-Remixes/release/9433720

https://www.discogs.com/Dave-Audé-Feat-Andy-Bell-Aftermath-Here-We-Go/release/9433654



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I've banned this guy about 6 times for constant pestering of fans asking for promos and for making and selling fake promos to which he will not accept that his homemade 'official' fake promos are just that 'fake'.

And yet again just to use the Andy/Shelter promo for Beautiful as an example,Shelter HAVE NEVER ISSUED ANY PROMO CDS.

That means this Shelter cd on discogs is 100% FAKE


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...in fact it would be cool if I had a direct mail to a inside Mute worker so I could ask for fake stuff....Mute (and others) could have some interests in that all the fakes on for example discogs could be added a 'unofficial' text?!


This is what I find interesting, wouldn't Mute (or any other record company involved with Erasure) have a complete list of all official releases/promos etc.? A list like that should be uploaded to the Mute and Erasure websites and if fans are unsure about something they could check there. I can't believe that this is not possible.
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The reason you don't see that, is that this situation has become a fortunate deterrent in the eyes of the labels regarding the illicit promo trade. They would be far from motivated to intervene.

Keep in mind, that promos, regardless of whether the specific intent behind a particular release was for it to leak or not, are regulated as a whole, and enforcement against their sale is just as broad; if not as evident now. Some of the real exclusive-track titles we may desire are no different than the album advance copies (if CD) that are sent out and could impact sales if ripped and shared in the eyes of those who enforce these things.

Now, you say that promos trade freely on eBay, right? That they allow it now?

No, it's the difficulty in enforcement on that platform which has overwhelmed those responsible, but believe me when I say there are such people and their views have not altered, even be there less of them these days.

A situation like this, which poisons the market, is something these folks would cackle around the watercooler about; not feel they need to address.

That said, I really doubt there are enough to flock around the cooler now...nor do they have one. No, I think they worry more about people taking their prized office supplies.



I do know of at least one record shop in New York that flaunted sales of promos (made it too conspicuous) and that helped get them shut down, albeit a decade ago. Even Tower and HMV, when they were around here, had gotten brushback from labels who had reps find promos in the racks of clearance CDs. Too many stores have been shuttered now, so it's bad PR to go after those who do sell them, but the shops have a healthy fear all the same. You just don't find them outside of mixed bins that most avoid sifting through.


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I find this thread fascinating, and THANK YOU devoleb and others for making this publicly available.  I'm a member of discogs, and have been contacted repeatedly by perec1983 aka bumzy who seems to go by different names here.  He is certainly reading these forums since bumzy added US LTHY promo CD to his discogs wantlist which we just discussed the other day.

Even though I have no items for sale, he has made offers on several items in my collection.  Initially (years ago) I was ok with his enthusiasm, though I never sold him anything.  He gets rather persistent.  Lately he has written more and more about some rare South American ProsoniC CDs that I submitted to discogs years ago.  Here is one example:
http://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Total-Remixed/release/5604886
He went from friendly to persistent to kinda pushy, then after a break begging and persistent again.  With his broken English, I was having a hard time telling if he is a shady bootlegger with an ulterior motive or just a hardcore Erasure fanatic that is desperate to built his collection.

I still don't know, but after seeing this thread, maybe both! ?

At one point he offered to trade some promo CDs for them.  All look laughably fake.  As mentioned on discogs, the From Moscow To Mars "promo" is completely fake, since Matt Pop did not remix Push Me, Shove Me.  I asked bumzy several times to send me a .mp3 of a PMSM mix so I can just hear it (I'm honestly curious what the hell it is) but he did not.  He says he buys these discs online and through eBay - is he telling the truth, or is he making these?  He doesn't strike me as the type to MAKE fake promos, just loose enough with his money to WANT TO BUY fake promos.

No matter what, he has been shady and slippery in his correspondence with me.  Later I'll see about uploading some pics of these "promos" he tried to trade me.  I wish I could hear his side in a public forum, but I understand why he's been banned.  I'm just glad I never sold him any items, especially if he is the creator of these fake promos.


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I've had PMs from him asking for Erasure promos if I have any. I asked what promos?,he just wants any promos.
I have many promos,not so many lately as it seems many are shady looking so I don't really try for those anymore,but the promos I have are part of my collection and I'm not going to sell them,if u did I'd make sure it wasn't this person and was a fan I know or who is genuine.


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I find this thread fascinating, and THANK YOU devoleb......

....my pleasure and my stories to tell around bumzy/perec1983/smirnoff/sasha59.8603 and more (his real name is Dima) is exactly like yours and he is lying, cheating, begging, pushing and he is getting very aggressive  and talks very dirty if you wont sell him items. I don't care if he reads this thread, and I've never sold him anything even when he offers loads of money.....no doubt about that he has tons of original stuff and he might have one of the biggest collections, but he also are dealing with fake releases and claims they are real and I really can't stand it no more....it's too much. Making this thread I hope that people will open their eyes to see how crazy/fanatic he is.

He is still contacting me these days, but I'm not answering him no more....simply don't wanna waste time to a person who deal with fake stuff like that.....have never experienced anything like this and I feel kinda pity for him....but as I said I wont spend any more time to talk with him, and I've stopped collecting CD-R promos with Erasure for the same reason



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This is what I find interesting, wouldn't Mute (or any other record company involved with Erasure) have a complete list of all official releases/promos etc.? A list like that should be uploaded to the Mute and Erasure websites and if fans are unsure about something they could check there. I can't believe that this is not possible.

If possible it would be awesome with such a list




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The worrying and sad thing about this is that genuine collectors will have been and are still being ripped off by this horrible man.
I can't stand people that are willing to rip off fellow fans, I just don't get it? I have a feeling that he pays for his own collection by making these fake copies which is why he is willing to pay a lot of money for them in the first place. Can't see any other reason why he is so keen to buy them in the first place. There is some very good software out there for bootlegers of course and these CDR's are obviously easy to copy. I don't buy them myself anymore either, stopped a few years back when bootlegs started flooding the market. I suppose it's not even 100% sure that the ones I have are genuine which of course is part of the problem.

On the PSB forum one of the guys that runs it has got the fans that have certain promo's to compare serial numbers that are on the cd spine and fakes have been found that way, a good idea and pretty good way of finding fakes, most companies will use a certain stock and make of cd's of course so is a clever way to compare. Not necessarily 100% accurate but almost I'd say.

Will give it a go here if anybody else is up to it? Obviously this is a risk as people may not want to know either way so if that is the case I reccomend that you don't do this! I have done it and all 3 CDRs seem to be from the same batch/make as follows which I would say is a good sign:

3 CDR promo's I have are Pop Remixed, Innocents Remixes and Phantom Bride,
1) Pop Remixed Club Promo https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Total-Pop-Club-Promo/release/1667934
Number on spine: CDR UG 80  JZQY And opposite: (07053107)
Number on clear centre spine:V2UF52842112908
2) Innocents Remixes https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Innocents-Remixes/release/1921429
Number on spine: CDR UG 80 JZQY And opposite: (07053107)
Number on clear centre spine: V3EE62905142603
3) Phantom Bride https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Phantom-Bride-EP/release/3513563
Number on spine: CDR UG 80 JZQY And opposite: (07053107)
Number on clear centre spine: V3BG61905160902

Maybe they are all fake and maybe they are all genuine? One of them has a sticker on it with release date and contact number so I am hopeful they are real.

Anybody fancy having a look at theirs and posting if they are similar? It is a risk of course so don't do it if you are worried about owning a bootleg, although yours may not be the bootleg of course! I don't mind the risk personally and would welcome some feedback!

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Hi JSDOUVRES,

Here are the informations from my CDs.

1) Pop Remixed Club Promo https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Total-Pop-Club-Promo/release/1667934
Number on spine: CDR UG 80  JZQY And opposite: (07053107) mine says also CDR UG 80 JZQY and 07053107
Number on clear centre spine:V2UF52842112908 mine says V2UF32854092908

2) Phantom Bride https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Phantom-Bride-EP/release/3513563
Number on spine: CDR UG 80 JZQY And opposite: (07053107) mine says RFD80M-79700 80
Number on clear centre spine: V3BG61905160902 mine says ZL A902063639RD14
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Hi JSDOUVRES,

Here are the informations from my CDs.

1) Pop Remixed Club Promo https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Total-Pop-Club-Promo/release/1667934
Number on spine: CDR UG 80  JZQY And opposite: (07053107) mine says also CDR UG 80 JZQY and 07053107
Number on clear centre spine:V2UF52842112908 mine says V2UF32854092908

2) Phantom Bride https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Phantom-Bride-EP/release/3513563
Number on spine: CDR UG 80 JZQY And opposite: (07053107) mine says RFD80M-79700 80
Number on clear centre spine: V3BG61905160902 mine says ZL A902063639RD14


Interesting start, will be nice to see some more.
I have had a quick look at some other mainly one track promo's from the same era that all start with the CDR UG 80 JZQY, not conclusive evidence that they all should do of course but a decent enough guide.
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And mine looks like this:

1) Pop Remixed Club Promo https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Total-Pop-Club-Promo/release/1667934
Number on spine: CDR UG 80  JZQY And opposite: (07053107) mine says also CDR UG 80 JZQY and 07053107
Number on clear centre spine:V2UF52842112908 mine says V2UF42850172608

2) Phantom Bride https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Phantom-Bride-EP/release/3513563
Number on spine: CDR UG 80 JZQY And opposite: (07053107) mine says also CDR UG 80 JZQY And opposite: (07053107)
Number on clear centre spine: V3BG61905160902 mine says V3BG32927081102



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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In my correspondence with bumzy/perec1983/Dima, he has made repeated unsolicited offers for some of my Erasure items that I contributed to discogs.  He sent many pics of these "promos" as trade bait.  Again, I don't know if he is actively trying to deceive, or just doesn't care if these are fake.  The "Andy Bell 30-Year Review" is laughable.

Also attached are 2 pictures of a bootleg Brazilian remix CD Total Remixed: my original CD vs. his CDR.  As you can see, my copy is a green disc and factory pressed CD.  At my request, he sent a pic of his copy that he says he paid $80 for from a Brazilian seller.  It is obviously a CD-R, yet on discogs he includes it in his collection (though he still wants mine).  He knows his to be a fake, but considers it original enough to include on discogs.  Granted, Total Remixed is a bootleg CD to begin with, but it shows his character in dealing with promos, which are much more easily faked due to the minimal artwork and printing.





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Some people have good printers and burners now


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Here is another example of my original ProsoniC CD vs. his CD-R copy which he claims to have in his collection.
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Live-In-Broadway-Theatre-BsAs-1997/release/5604813
(Sorry about the large pics in my previous post.  I can't find a way to edit or reupload attachments!)



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That one looks like a recording I had in 97 and was made into this. sadly people will rip off fans


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Do you know the source on the audio?  Coukd it be from this CD?  The disc has a 1997 date (which may or may not be true) and is factory pressed.  I've had it since around 2003 (?)


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This was a radio broadcast show that a friend in Argentina made back to me in 1997. He worked at the station and told me it would be a special show recording for future broadcast


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I think I know the radio show you're describing and this disc is different, though they must have been around the same time.  The radio show has interviews between songs with a Spanish translator.  This Broadway Theatre show is a straight audience recording of a concert.  It's interesting that When I Needed You is on the track listing, but only about 30 seconds long.  The incredibly enthusiastic Buenos Aires crowd is singing the chorus of WINY so loudly between songs that Andy has to finally break down and sing the chorus himself, much to the joy of the audience!


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This one I got was the second night soundboard with no interview. I have that one. This one was recorded for future special broadcast since they could not do it live. To my knowledge, it never aired and was just archived for a future broadcast. I have lost with Jimea who got me the copy back then on a trade but I think he traded with someone who made these bootlegs.


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Do you know the source on the audio?  Coukd it be from this CD?  The disc has a 1997 date (which may or may not be true) and is factory pressed.  I've had it since around 2003 (?)

Sorry to say if you don't know but that 'original ProsoniC CD' of yours is not a fabric pressed silver CD, it's an CD-R   .....why do you think it's a real silver CD?



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Interesting info Mike!

devoleb - the copies I have are indeed factory pressed silver CDs.  I just uploaded pictures the other day to discogs to show that.  Also I contacted martin_r who also lists Total Remixed in his collection, and his is silver CD also.  Maybe he could attach a photo of his as well.

Check out the pics:
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Total-Remixed/release/5604886
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Live-In-Broadway-Theatre-BsAs-1997/release/5604813
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Wild-Tour-Live-In-BsAs-Argentina-1990/release/5604864


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They are all CD-R's ....why are you saying they are silver CD's...please compare with a disc you know which is bought from a shop and another CD-R.....Am I the only one who can see this?!

...If I really am wrong, sure I'll say sorry  



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Upon closer inspection, you could very well be right devoleb.  I'll do some further investigation and post new/better pics.


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Yeah the original was on Silver


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Yep, I was mistaken and thank you for helping me get it sorted.  The discs I have are CD-R and I have updated the 4 ProsoniC Erasure releases on Discogs with this info.  I thought they were just poorly made CDs but I suppose they are "high-quality" CD-Rs if such a thing exists.  The discs have professional looking artwork and when I checked other ProsoniC releases, many were listed as CD (not CD-R) and I assumed (incorrectly) that mine were CD.

On the subject of later Mute promos, I will check the few I have tonight and report back with my findings.


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Never thought I'd see the day that bootlegs were getting bootlegged! To be fair there are some good ones out there so I understand the demand, just out of order people meking money out of them though.
I remember when I got hold of Erasure The Mixes -yellow Brick to Music factory back in the early 90's, up until then the only place I ever got hold of the Limited edition mixes from Who needs love and Heavenly action, plus soem of the erasure club mixes. Perfect audio quality! Best bootleg I ever got! Played that to death!
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Most of the CDs are not the factory bootlegs of promos but CDs with multiple mixes from many sources added into a single disc and being claimed to be genuine


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Yep, I was mistaken and thank you for helping me get it sorted

No worries....I'm just glad you'd found out now and not later, for example in a buy/sell situation thinking they were silver CD's.....some would claim a full refund buying a 'wrong' item.....and I were in a little doubt also if I should keep saying that they were not silver discs when you were believing they were...though it's some good pictures you've posted I could be wrong at some point  



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My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
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Info on the 2 later Mute CDr promos I have:

1) Innocents Remixes https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Innocents-Remixes/release/1921429
Number on spine: CDR UG 80 JZQY  Opposite: 97953107
Number on inner circle: V3EE32909142603

2) HIGIA/ATTSFOOL https://www.discogs.com/Erasur.....-Love/release/604504
Number on spine: none
Number on inner circle: YF 42413161012  Opposite: IFPI ED63


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Info on the 2 later Mute CDr promos I have:

1) Innocents Remixes https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Innocents-Remixes/release/1921429
Number on spine: CDR UG 80 JZQY  Opposite: 97953107
Number on inner circle: V3EE32909142603

2) HIGIA/ATTSFOOL https://www.discogs.com/Erasur.....-Love/release/604504
Number on spine: none
Number on inner circle: YF 42413161012  Opposite: IFPI ED63


I have the same Here I go Impossible again Club promo CDR with similar markings too which is a good sign.

Seems that the more recent promos (like Innocents Remixes) with the CDR UG 80 JZQY etc on spine are very frequent and may well be the genuine ones, does not mean that others are not official too but less likely I'd say. Interesting.
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Erasure4rum notice-

If any member gets a PM from another member asking for CD-Rs or Erasure promos pleas PM me their member names,we are getting too many posts that seem to end up as outlets for fake promos etc.

Thank you for your co-operation.


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I've just had this confirmed by Manhattan Clique there are NO PROMO CDs being made for the new Electric Blue reissue.

Anything you find on eBay that says it's a promo for this project will be a fake.


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My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
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Too many easy ways to make fake promos out there


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Too many easy ways to make fake promos out there


I've almost stopped collecting promos since this bootlegging has gone too far....those dudes (I think they are at least two) are completely messing this collecting thing up.....It's not great to hunt down cool promos just to find out that they are fakes

I've just mailed this (below) to discogs member Music_maniac_2013 who is offering me some fakes for 50 GBP
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Dima, Bumzy, Music_maniac_2013, perec1983, sacha.....whatever you are calling yourselves, you guys are making and or dealing with lots of bootlegs/fakes and unofficial stuff.

Do you really think that's ok? It's sick man....you are cheating on people by doing this and stealing their well and hard earned money, so PLEASE STOP offering these to others and keep them away from discogs!!!

If you are a fan, STOP!!!



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Well said Devoleb!
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Hi, the discog's seller music_maniac_2013  is trying to sell this to me

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Innocents-Remixed-2-Disc-Set/release/9829547


I mentioned in another thread that I'd be curious to know what some of those remixes actually were.

I suspected some of them were bootleg/fan mixes, and when I saw there was a remix of 'Love Is Colder Than Death' on the track-listing I remembered that our old friend ASH-II had done a fan mix of this.

According to Soundcloud, ASH's mix lasts 5.31.

According to the listing for the fake Innocents promo, the 'Vince's Hypothermic Mix' ALSO lasts 5.31.

So my guess is it's ASH-II's mix ripped from Soundcloud and put on a CDr, no doubt along with a few other fan-made mixes.

I can't of course mention ASH's mix (who won the 'Say What You Want' remix contest) without offering a link to it  

https://soundcloud.com/ash-ii/erasure-love-is-colder-than-death-ash-ii-mix
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The opening track on the fake Innocents promo is titled 'Respectfully Remixed By Andy Mix'.

I suspect this is a renamed 'GRN's 'Respectful' Radio Mix', a version by GRN that was once given away via the Erasure Info website (I'm sure most of us here know GRN for many of his official Erasure remixes).

Obviously 'respect' is not a word understood by these fakers.
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I stick to only official stuff now, I will not even care for any promos to collect because it's become a big scam that not even record companies care to dispute either so it's gone to the wild, wild west.


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it's gone to the wild, wild west.

Yeah, it's crazy....I am considering adding 'unofficial' to all these items again just to irritate the fakers  




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Devoleb, I think you should do that to show that we don't like people to fool other people with fakes items. If they are unofficial items then should be called by there right name as unofficial and nothing else.
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Devoleb, please don't hesitate to change them back to 'unofficial'.  I will do the same thing when I see it, and hopefully others here will do the same.  We need to stay one step ahead of that slimeball.

My question is - are there any moderators at discogs that we could reach out to?  If several of us speak up, perhaps they could block bumzy's registration and IP.  I would hope that the owners and moderators have an interest in keeping these fake promos off of the site, or at least marked as 'unofficial.'


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Devoleb, please don't hesitate to change them back to 'unofficial'.  I will do the same thing when I see it, and hopefully others here will do the same.  We need to stay one step ahead of that slimeball.

My question is - are there any moderators at discogs that we could reach out to?  If several of us speak up, perhaps they could block bumzy's registration and IP.  I would hope that the owners and moderators have an interest in keeping these fake promos off of the site, or at least marked as 'unofficial.'


I can take contact to an administrator there I know.....there is some politics around bootlegs....it's something with that they can't be removed, but you can try to document that the items is fake an then add 'unofficial' to the entry. Anyway I'll show the administrator what this is about to show him the big issue around the huge numbers of fakes from few people



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Devoleb, please don't hesitate to change them back to 'unofficial'

I'm slowly doing that.....I guess Bumzy, Perec1983, Smirnoff, Dima and so on, will react agressive  




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If he/they do, we all need to organize and escalate.


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If he/they do, we all need to organize and escalate.

I've now changed back at least 10 items to 'Unofficial Release'.....let us wait and see what happens

Last messages to music_manic_2013 from him and me:

HIM:
I dont sell fakes/bootlegs/homemade items.

ME:
Well, you were trying to sell this one to me and other fans
https://www.discogs.com/release/9829547

Whats wrong with you man?


HIM:
It's not a fake

ME:
Ok, so from where do you have it?....and all the others are fakes then?!




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I think the Innocents one is so hilarious, that it ought to be responded to in kind. That might be the way to go in general as well.


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Please see this thread on discogs about bumzy and please chime in if you can:
https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/735774


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Please see this thread on discogs about bumzy and please chime in if you can:
https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/735774


Great...I'm reading now

And this is important, Dima/Bumzy wrote this to me lately when I rejected to sell CD-R's to him

DIMA:
In that case ill be watch by u on forum....first account was block because of u but i have 6 accounts more and u will never stop me!!!! i always be first ....bye

So he is all around in here probably  



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Those comments are currently burning up on Discogs:

https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/735774


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It's a glorious response.

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And this is important, Dima/Bumzy wrote this to me lately when I rejected to sell CD-R's to him

DIMA:
In that case ill be watch by u on forum....first account was block because of u but i have 6 accounts more and u will never stop me!!!! i always be first ....bye

So he is all around in here probably  


Said this before to one of the powers that be, but feel it's worth public outcry now...the best response is that you be added on as a moderator here to help combat this.

Know it's not my place, but I have some small experience in this field, and know a good one when I see it.


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Ive also commented on discogs


Great people will stand together against this kind of fraud.....Dima has been around  



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The moment I see:

I look for rare CD promo _____________, I will pay $250

DELETE ACCOUNT

This looks for the perfect official CD to duplicate its exact look and Feel and just needs a good one to work off of


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Yes, but he likely has other accounts here with no posts yet set up to use for PM's alone. That's what needs to be weeded out based on IP address, etc.

Anyhow, it's good to see justice done publicly. When he made fake ones to begin with, or those from vinyl rips, he really went over the edge. Had he just been a "smart" crook, he would've kept it to copying known CD-R releases, but greed does in everyone in the end.

Too many of us are watching eBay and Discogs now not to take note of, monitor, and cross-reference account names for him to do so well as he once did.


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Yea, hopefully this exposure will put a dent in his income.

The hardest part of all this for me is not the bootlegging (sorry V&A) but his horrible attempts to pass them off as real, official items... along with his pestering, cursing and otherwise bad attitude.  I expect this kind of mess from the DM crowd.  No offense to DM of course, but c'mon....  why Erasure??  I've been a fan since 1990 and EVERYONE I've met or corresponded with over the years who loves Erasure has been kind and awesome.  Dima is the first to be an out-and-out a**hole.  I didn't think it was possible to be such an Erasure fan *and* a major jerk.


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Keep in mind he also dipped his toe into the Madonna realm with some fakes too. Those are fans you don't want to cross...not that you should cross us either. We just don't bite as deep.  


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Keep in mind he also dipped his toe into the Madonna realm with some fakes too. Those are fans you don't want to cross...not that you should cross us either. We just don't bite as deep.  

I think this hole of scumbagness is deeper than just that  



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Russian mob? Even they don't want to cross Madonna fans.


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devoleb, thank you again for all the posts you've made.  You've really made a difference.  I saw your message on the discogs thread from music_maniac_2013.  He wrote me out of the blue a week or so ago (before this discussion started) offering to sell me a Be With You promo.  He had an asking price and said if I wasn't interested, he would go to "the next person in line on the wantlist."  I don't believe for a second he is an innocent collector.

If you look at the Submission Info for the Innocents Remixed 2CD set (which we know absolutely HAS to be fake - for example, Vince didn't remix Hallowed Ground in 1988/89), it was submitted by music_maniac_2013 (who seems to be in England and I believe is working with bumzy) and then a day or two later, the submission was updated by bumzy.   I edited the submission to "Unofficial Release" and when bumzy wrote cursing at me, I asked "How can you edit the submission when you don't own it?"  He said "I changed the country because I know where all these CDR been pressed !!!!"  Interesting!  He such amazing knowledge of ultra rare US promos eh??

So, pretending for a moment that music_maniac_2013 is just an honest submitter - of a 2CDr Innocents promo that NO ONE has ever heard of before now - within hours, bumzy is there and knows all about it!  They MUST be working together, somehow.

You also mentioned the BBC Transcription discs.  I too am on the fence about those.  They do look official, and maybe they are.  I know a member here who I used to correspond with a lot (I'll leave his name out for now) who has a vinyl 1988 BBC Transcription disc that is so rare, there is no information about it anywhere.  He sent me a lossless copy years ago, and it has the only live version of Yahoo! that I know of.  These BBC Transcription CDs could also be official and VERY VERY rare, but since they have been tainted with bumzy's stench, we may never know.


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devoleb, thank you again for all the posts you've made

Same to you.....I'm just happy about this is up for debate at last so everybody can see how big this issue is. They have tried to hide long enough and pumping people for their money with low quality fake stuff and now their greed has gone too far....those fakers will probably keep on doing this but know we will watch more carefully out for their acting around



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If anyone is approached by anyone sounding like this person asking for promo CDs get a good price from him then send a homemade CD-R with the label written with a sharpie and a photocopied cover and enjoy your money knowing he's got a taste of his own medicine


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Seriously don't see the point in collecting these things anymore. These guys have totally killed any care for seeking these in any capacity. I just can't see anyone or point really collecting promos that can be easily replicated.

I just stick now to what Mute puts out officially.


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These CD-Rs generally go up on YouTube anyhow, if not whole rips to file hosts (although those are hunted down by the RIAA cops)


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These CD-Rs generally go up on YouTube anyhow, if not whole rips to file hosts (although those are hunted down by the RIAA cops)


Again what's the point of owning this. There is nothing really special about this. Plus promotion methods have changed these days.  So you own a bland piece of plastic, big deal


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This is why I like the tangible tchotchkes that come with the box sets, or unique formats like picture discs. The music itself is, as default for promotion, in a digital format. There's no real incentive in tagged CD-Rs now when even digital audiofiles can be.

The last CD-R I really wanted was the PB one (no surprise) due to the variant of the covert art, and that was barely enough.

Still, as long as those folks make with the files, I'm happy.

*cough* not been too happy lately...


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Paying crazy money for faceless CDRs is just insane


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If only bands like Erasure filled up the cd singles with every remix rather than put some of them out as promo only as then a lot of these cdr's would become redundant.
Their singles don't chart anymore and never will again, that is a fact whether we like it or not, They have been putting a lot of mixes on the singles but not all of them and I see no reason why that is the case.
We were lucky enough to get them all in the Tomorrows World boxset, some as MP3's though of course.
If I was an artist and I knew people were making money through bootlegging my work I'd be pissed off frankly.
Please Erasure, release maxi singles with all the mixes, even 2 cd if necessary!
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If anyone is approached by anyone sounding like this person asking for promo CDs get a good price from him then send a homemade CD-R with the label written with a sharpie and a photocopied cover and enjoy your money knowing he's got a taste of his own medicine

I have really wanted to do that some times against Dima since I can produce these fake items easily if I wanted to, but I don't wanna be like him.....the only reason I would ever do that should be if I would have my money back when he had cheated on me....but I've never sold anything to him or bought anything from him (yet again I've some cheeky copies/promos bought long time ago and I don't know if that could be him) I've traded with him only once, and that were in the beginning time of this lately bootlegging era  



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If only bands like Erasure filled up the cd singles with every remix rather than put some of them out as promo only as then a lot of these cdr's would become redundant.
Their singles don't chart anymore and never will again, that is a fact whether we like it or not, They have been putting a lot of mixes on the singles but not all of them and I see no reason why that is the case.
We were lucky enough to get them all in the Tomorrows World boxset, some as MP3's though of course.
If I was an artist and I knew people were making money through bootlegging my work I'd be pissed off frankly.
Please Erasure, release maxi singles with all the mixes, even 2 cd if necessary!

This my friend is so true.....I really never could understand why we here in Denmark always had to buy maxi-cd 1, maxi-cd 2 and maxi-cd 3 just to get all official releases knowing that in USA and other countries they could have only one disc with all remixes on....weird way to do business, and just to find out that there often were even double as many remixes on several promo discs also. Not great when you are a DJ wanting to play great remixes.....I know that it's cool for collectors to hunt down rare remixes/promos and stuff through time, but it has also been a pain in the butt for me anyway.....That also goes for a band like Depeche Mode releasing like that. I know that's probably a financial trick and reason for doing it this way, but it's not that great for a DJ/fan who wants to have a listen to most remixes and trying to spread out the Erasure music. I know also that most people mostly likes the 7"/album versions, but myself I really love a great remix.....that makes to me e a certain track as great as possible for a longer time  



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My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
My 'When A Lover Leaves You' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkYC6_en-E
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Hi friends from the world.
Unfortunately, with the intervention of avalon67 and the topic being closed by Diognes_The_Fox over Discogs, we lost this.
Dima has won. I hate to say this. He's won. And he will keep doing what he does.
Diognes_The_Fox shelved this topic in a very subjective way, they don't want to really do anything.
We also need to remember they make a revenue over the sales in the Marketplace – it is of no interest to block these scammers.
So they leave it up to the "users" judge what is valid or not. They won't step in. And Dima has won.
So you know, if everything goes wrong – it's the user judgement that was to be taken or it's naive's fault to buy.
There is nothing to be done there.

I don't know if this forum is a russian based forum or if there are many people from Russia in this forum.
But, If I were you, I would issue a lifetime block on Dima. Even if it's entire Russia. But certainly there are good russians here.
So you guys can just track down the IP network and block the three or two last octets from the IP accessing – and Dima is no more.
Make a cross-reference of the IPs he used with the nicknames he created and it's easy to do it. He will get a forbidden.
Also, think about blocking VPNs or Tor exit nodes from coming in to register. This will do it.
Over Discogs, he will be pretending to be this retarded, mentally confused and wild freako.

Now, I understand the frustration every one of us is carrying. I'm not a die hard Erasure fan. I own the albums and some singles.
But I have some news from the future as well. It's a tendency that CDs are losing ground to other forms of media.
From all of my friends I have, I know no one that still has a CD. Everybody has got rid of them and moved to iTunes and the likes.

These days back, I visited Nine Inch Nails website and found a manifesto over their store:

VINYL MISSION STATEMENT

IN THESE TIMES OF NEARLY UNLIMITED ACCESS TO ALL THE MUSIC IN THE WORLD, WE’VE COME TO APPRECIATE THE VALUE AND BEAUTY OF THE PHYSICAL OBJECT. OUR STORE’S FOCUS IS ON PRESENTING THESE ITEMS TO YOU. VINYL HAS RETURNED TO BEING A PRIORITY FOR US - NOT JUST FOR THE WARMTH OF THE SOUND, BUT THE INTERACTION IT DEMANDS FROM THE LISTENER. THE CANVAS OF ARTWORK, THE WEIGHT OF THE RECORD, THE SMELL OF THE VINYL, THE DROPPING OF THE NEEDLE, THE DIFFICULTY OF SKIPPING TRACKS, THE CHANGING OF SIDES, THE SECRETS HIDDEN WITHIN, AND HAVING A PHYSICAL OBJECT THAT EXISTS IN THE REAL WORLD WITH YOU… ALL PART OF THE EXPERIENCE AND MAGIC.

DIGITAL FORMATS AND STREAMING ARE GREAT AND CERTAINLY CONVENIENT, BUT THE IDEAL WAY I’D HOPE A LISTENER EXPERIENCE MY MUSIC IS TO GRAB A GREAT SET OF HEADPHONES, SIT WITH THE VINYL, DROP THE NEEDLE, HOLD THE JACKET IN YOUR HANDS LOOKING AT THE ARTWORK (WITH YOUR f****ing PHONE TURNED OFF) AND GO ON A JOURNEY WITH ME.
-TRENT REZNOR


So, in some parts I understand that Reznor very much means that taking a step back to analogue it's also harder for scammers like Dima.
CD Singles are no longer attractive. Only major bands are releasing. Depeche Mode, etc.
So, expect very much in the future that CDRs and promos will be irrelevant and deem Dima a irrelevant person who has nothing of value.
Sooner than we think, CDR promos... labels won't make them anymore.
We will have just two major lines for releases: Analogue - very physical... and.. File Based. CD will still come out mostly as albums.
But I believe there will be an end to the promo the way it has been for the past decade.

Now, a public personal mesage to Dima Efmikenko.

Dima, while we were "friends" I truly tried to develop friendship with you.
I wish to you tell you that, in this world, everything we do here, we pay here.
Today you are ripping off the gullible and eating fine food in a rich restaurant.
Tomorrow you will be in a hospital bed, with needles stuck into your veins, with days counted.

Don't take for granted that God is a benevolent fool. He is also justice.
And His justice will take place when the least you expect.
The amount of people you have conned – you will pay for this. You will get your return.
And also, all the money you gathered from this practice is cursed.
It's a dirty money. With no honor. No respect. A thief.
The thieves come to destroy, steal and kill.
You will not end up well in your life. You may be on a high tide now.
But when God claims for your soul, back to Him, you be prepared to respond for your actions.
That's all buddy. That's what I believe.
If there are any atheists here, it's ok. Somehow you will end up paying in this lifetime in their opinion as well.

I wish to thank you the people from this forum to have come over Discogs and manifest their frustration against Dima.
Thank you very much.



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I had an email this week from someone on discogs. He'd noticed i was looking for a promo of Fills Us With Fire and had offered it to me along with a couple of the other tomorrow's world era ones.

I missed out on the Tomorrow's World box set, after someone hacked my email account and managed to block Richard's emails.

I emailed the guy back and said I'd be interested. I then started looking at his selling history, and he'd listed loads of digital only files, as being on promo discs, IE Pop! Treasure and a few others.

It's a shame people have to spoil it!
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devoleb, thank you again for all the posts you've made.  You've really made a difference.  I saw your message on the discogs thread from music_maniac_2013.  He wrote me out of the blue a week or so ago (before this discussion started) offering to sell me a Be With You promo.  He had an asking price and said if I wasn't interested, he would go to "the next person in line on the wantlist."  I don't believe for a second he is an innocent collector.

If you look at the Submission Info for the Innocents Remixed 2CD set (which we know absolutely HAS to be fake - for example, Vince didn't remix Hallowed Ground in 1988/89), it was submitted by music_maniac_2013 (who seems to be in England and I believe is working with bumzy) and then a day or two later, the submission was updated by bumzy.   I edited the submission to "Unofficial Release" and when bumzy wrote cursing at me, I asked "How can you edit the submission when you don't own it?"  He said "I changed the country because I know where all these CDR been pressed !!!!"  Interesting!  He such amazing knowledge of ultra rare US promos eh??

So, pretending for a moment that music_maniac_2013 is just an honest submitter - of a 2CDr Innocents promo that NO ONE has ever heard of before now - within hours, bumzy is there and knows all about it!  They MUST be working together, somehow.

You also mentioned the BBC Transcription discs.  I too am on the fence about those.  They do look official, and maybe they are.  I know a member here who I used to correspond with a lot (I'll leave his name out for now) who has a vinyl 1988 BBC Transcription disc that is so rare, there is no information about it anywhere.  He sent me a lossless copy years ago, and it has the only live version of Yahoo! that I know of.  These BBC Transcription CDs could also be official and VERY VERY rare, but since they have been tainted with bumzy's stench, we may never know.


That's the guy!! I blocked him anyhow. No purchase made

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You also mentioned the BBC Transcription discs.  I too am on the fence about those.  They do look official, and maybe they are.  I know a member here who I used to correspond with a lot (I'll leave his name out for now) who has a vinyl 1988 BBC Transcription disc that is so rare, there is no information about it anywhere.  He sent me a lossless copy years ago, and it has the only live version of Yahoo! that I know of.  These BBC Transcription CDs could also be official and VERY VERY rare, but since they have been tainted with bumzy's stench, we may never know.


These BBC Transcriptions CD seems fake to me.
Like I said. Mastering and Mould SID Codes should be placed on the reading side of the disc, not on the label disc. I have many "Mastered by Nimbus" which used to be (or is) a UK plant. All my CDs with this saying are written on the reading side of the disc, so they look reversed on the CD label side.
Seeing the disc, it is yellowish – it looks like a CDRs and to worsen things, the lights in the place are yellow and the picture is dark, with a flash taken with. Only a bright white light on the top of the CD would confirm if this is a silver CD or a fake CD-R. With replicating machines and right software, you can create almost any kind of close to real counterfeit. But pay attention: Mastering and SID codes have always a standard:

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/sid-code-implementation-guide.pdf

So in this replica, they are in the wrong places, unless Nimbus worker got an all-night-long party and etched/wrote these codes out of standard... This should be highly suspicious. I defy DIMA to post the real close to microscope images.

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Seems fake, but I'm still on the fence.  These are the 2 listings in question:

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-BBC-Transcription/release/9648102
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-BBC-Radio-International/release/9647986

They were both submitted by bumzy, but here's the problem: he doesn't claim to own either one.  I don't know where he got the pictures, perhaps in trade discussions with someone?  Gabrielerasure does claim to own the 2nd, and perhaps I'll contact him about it (if he's not already a member here).

They could very well be real - meaning: officially produced, perhaps on CDR, by the BBC and very, very rare.


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Seems fake, but I'm still on the fence.  These are the 2 listings in question:

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-BBC-Transcription/release/9648102
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-BBC-Radio-International/release/9647986

They were both submitted by bumzy, but here's the problem: he doesn't claim to own either one.  I don't know where he got the pictures, perhaps in trade discussions with someone?  Gabrielerasure does claim to own the 2nd, and perhaps I'll contact him about it (if he's not already a member here).

They could very well be real - meaning: officially produced, perhaps on CDR, by the BBC and very, very rare.

Bumzy has a huge collection with official stuff as well so some of his entries might for sure be ok, but these BBC compilations is a tricky one
....these below for example are named as 'Partially Unofficial' what ever that does mean, compared to 'Unofficial' (maybe you guys know?!)

https://www.discogs.com/Tanita-Tikaram-On-Stage-At-Barbican-Theatre-York/release/7912173
https://www.discogs.com/Orbita.....1995/release/4149832
https://www.discogs.com/Pulp-In-Concert-644-Featuring-Pulp-Glastonbury-Festival-1995/release/6262258

....if these three items are bootlegs then the two Erasure entries for sure also could be fake

Another thing, if you look closely onto the discs themselves you can see each track on there like on a vinyl, and I don't think you can see the tracks like that on a CD-R disc....so if they are bootlegs it must be 'professional' made bootlegs on factory pressed siver CD's, but I could be wrong on this one !?  



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"Partially Unofficial" is used on discogs for certain releases like these promotional radio shows that aren't owned by the record label.  I submitted this US Westwood One 2CD promo which I bought back in the mid 90's, and listed it as "Partially Unofficial" because all the other Westwood One discs for other artists were done the same.  I should upload some pics of the discs, but the discs themselves don't even say "Erasure".  They were weekly promotional live shows that even include commercials.
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-In-Concert-New-Rock/release/5634538

And here is a discussion about how to list in-house radio discs like this and BBC Transcriptions that were never meant to be sold:
https://www.discogs.com/help/forums/topic/350933

Looking at more of the items you linked devoleb, I'm becoming pretty convinced the Erasure BBC Transcription CDs are legit.  If the discs in the pics are fakes, they weren't faked by him (too high quality).  And there would certainly be a bona fide original to work from (at least 1 of each) and I'm sure he's desperate to own them!


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In a few moments I will post how to differ a pressed silver CD versus typical CDRs.
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Ok, I have elaborated a document to help anyone who is in doubt about the legitimacy of a CD media.
Many CDRs we know are fake. But then, then not all CDRs are equal.
Which kind of CDRs were done in 1997? How many of them was one able to make it look exactly like a silver pressed CD on the label side?
This guide I am attaching is a PDF for the entire internet community.
You may share, send through email, and advise the gullible whenever a doubt is risen from a legitimacy of a source.

Please share this.  

A permanent link from Media Fire will be here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/c2xuf901d64d1d8/Identifying_CDRs_v2.pdf



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Ok, I have elaborated a document to help anyone who is in doubt about the legitimacy of a CD media.
Many CDRs we know are fake. But then, then not all CDRs are equal.
Which kind of CDRs were done in 1997? How many of them was one able to make it look exactly like a silver pressed CD on the label side?
This guide I am attaching is a PDF for the entire internet community.
You may share, send through email, and advise the gullible whenever a doubt is risen from a legitimacy of a source.

Please share this.  

A permanent link from Media Fire will be here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/oa5wmu3ol0d8zzl/Identifying_CDRs.pdf


Nice one



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My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
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Hi friends from the world.
Unfortunately, with the intervention of avalon67 and the topic being closed by Diognes_The_Fox over Discogs, we lost this.
Dima has won. I hate to say this. He's won. And he will keep doing what he does.

Hi, Discogs user here. I wouldn't go that far. The thread was closed because it basically ran its course and I actually think it was successful as it ended up with some of the fake releases being removed (that I personally instigated) and a clear statement from the admin (who's a great bloke) saying "Any submission that cannot be verified as being valid should be removed". There are plenty more to be removed yet, but each has to be done on a case-by-case basis. Please feel free to add URLs of more below and I'll get working...

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There are plenty more to be removed yet, but each has to be done on a case-by-case basis. Please feel free to add URLs of more below and I'll get working...


Hi there, I think also that the thread on discogs did have some ok effect since some of the fake items has been removed.....We are getting there but it will take some time though there always will be bad persons who will try to rip you off.

Please look at post one in this thread.....there you will find several entries to work with for future deleting



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
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It's a tricky subject with these bootlegs, this item for example is NOT fake.....

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Elevation/release/6067308

.......the CD-R is made for use in US radio promotions, so it's not "official" in the sense of a proper release but it's officially from the Mute offices so it's not a bootleg.



My 'Here I Go Impossible' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56CSYAG8aw
My 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozoXml76JU
My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
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A ray of hope again.

It's so damn easy to get away with making these bootlegs....I'm slowly going through my promos and I must admit it's tricky to see if they are fake or not....I have at least 4 promos more that I have doubt about....anyway now I know the one above is real  



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djdustie, thanks for coming by.

Well, I didn't want that thread to be shut down (not because I started)... even you questioned when you replied to avalon that it was very much alive and his contributions were basically nothing. I have to express that Diognes the Fox, made this statement, but this statement does not improve things the way it should be done. It still leaves the issue in everybody's hands and for certain that if I vote it out, others will vote it in, and this will never end.

Just take for example the BBC Radio Transcription case which many are thinking its legitimate.

I have asked Dima to shoot a picture of CDStumm75 vs. this BBC, side by side on reading surface.
Now the guy is gone and won't reply to the request. At least for us to determine if it's a CD-R or not...
He will play the retarded, post things like "!!!", and even perhaps says "sorry bumzy iz slow u guys two fazt".

Anyway, I think it was very positive at least. I got inbox messages congratulating me:

"you have exposed the masquerading of existing contradictions of the site rules and the appointing of how easy is to create a new profile and fakes proliferation so that they can keep submitting counterfeit items."

This person also says that "A quarantine spot or filter should be created with urgency for these new submissions".

I have update my GUIDE so the mediafire link is updated. Please can the admin change the attachment on that post? Thanks!
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the CD-R is made for use in US radio promotions, so it's not "official" in the sense of a proper release but it's officially from the Mute offices so it's not a bootleg.


This one looks real and official. If it came from Mute offices, then it's official promo. Should be only labelled as CDr, Promo. But not Unofficial.
Depending on the surface you can discover also which media they have used to burn the CDR. It looks blueish to me. Could be AZO, quality CDR.
Use ImgBurn software and go to Discovery, it will return the manufacturer of the CDR.
This can serve as a factor to separate the evil from the good source.

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It's so damn easy to get away with making these bootlegs....I'm slowly going through my promos and I must admit it's tricky to see if they are fake or not....I have at least 4 promos more that I have doubt about....anyway now I know the one above is real


Using your example above, look at the fonts. The fonts are matching the future release. The CDR logo is quite aligned and well designed.
It also states phone numbers and emails, and promo responsible person. So, this is being Mute's Office put out, it's official.

I see no place for "Unofficial" tag.
Discogs opens up three possibilities for Unofficial: Bootleg, Counterfeit, Pirate.

Tagging all these three type as Unofficial can cause all sorts of confusion.

In the case of many Dima's submissions, many should have Pirate tag.
Others like the possible BBC transcription, should have a Counterfeit tag.

These three items should not be eligible to enter the Marketplace.
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Now may I have your attention.

The following users have been removed from Discogs.

bumzy
kupidon
perec1983


Now that these submitters are gone, how will they provide feedback on the legitimacy of their fakes?

Staff acted.
They did exactly like they told me: Please notice that any action taken will not be disclosed to the public.
This thread was really important.


Now, I would be glad if we could deem the use of Unofficial useless and start using Counterfeit, Pirate or Bootleg.
A second step would make them ineligible for sale on Marketplace.
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Congratulations for winning this battle, but I suspect the war has yet to end. Vigilance is the price we must pay for being Erasure fans.


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Hmm, I do have to say that while those are gone, music_maniac_2013 remains, and one of his listings

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Innocents-Remixed-2-Disc-Set/release/9829547

also remains, yet without the ridiculing comment I left on it. There a reason for that?

This as well, had a comment from me disclosing it's nature, and that's also gone

https://www.discogs.com/Erasur.....emen/release/9542221


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All real collectors know about CD BBC LIVE IN TRANSCRIPTION.. about what fakes are u talking about?? There are 2 version of cds exist..1992 and 1997...First concert iam not sure about year but it was from time WILD tour
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All real collectors know about CD BBC LIVE IN TRANSCRIPTION.. about what fakes are u talking about?? There are 2 version of cds exist..1992 and 1997...First concert iam not sure about year but it was from time WILD tour


Dima you are back ?!



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excuse me ??????
i had both cds but sold on ebay in 2014
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excuse me ??????
i had both cds but sold on ebay in 2014


You are a funny dude Dima 😄



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Did u see my real name????
Iam Jonh but not dima
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Did u see my real name????
Iam Jonh but not dima


I can't stop laughing....please say more 😂



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This is like a cat toying with a mouse...except the mouse thinks he's the cat.


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This is funny, clearly the said person simply cannot hold back and stop himself from posting about this! Basically he is playing the part of a copied. bootlegged, unofficial version of himself now, how very ironic!!!

Dima, please get lost, leave us fans alone and grow a conscience. Ripping people off is nothing to be proud of, in fact it is shameful.

You have been found out, now use it to learn and turn a page. Try not to copy the previous one though which you seem to be good (bad) at.
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Hmm, I do have to say that while those are gone, music_maniac_2013 remains, and one of his listings

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-The-Innocents-Remixed-2-Disc-Set/release/9829547

also remains, yet without the ridiculing comment I left on it. There a reason for that?

This as well, had a comment from me disclosing it's nature, and that's also gone

https://www.discogs.com/Erasur.....emen/release/9542221


I can assure you, both of these have now been struck off the Discogs database. They remain in Draft form, but that's all.
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You are a funny dude Dima 😄

Indeed, he's PM'ing me on here too too, demanding to know why I'm removing these CDs from Discogs. I replied back telling him he knows damned well why. The coincidental thing is, I've had PM's over there from about 3 different users who've funnily enough, all just created new accounts and all talk in exactly the same way. The poor bloke really is having a complete identity crisis.  

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Indeed, he's PM'ing me on here too too, demanding to know why I'm removing these CDs from Discogs. I replied back telling him he knows damned well why. The coincidental thing is, I've had PM's over there from about 3 different users who've funnily enough, all just created new accounts and all talk in exactly the same way. The poor bloke really is having a complete identity crisis.  




Can I have those names in a PM please


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Can I have those names in a PM please

They're on Discogs. Nothing you can do.
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He can ban them here, though.


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Dima... LOL... Dima John?
So funny...

If he ever would write a little proper English he would get passed.

Dima, we're removing the fakes. We'll keep doing it.
And the BBC Transcription, your friend "Gabrielerasure" is not really willing to help in providing sources.
From the outer of the CDs I can tell you it's a CDR. But you guys will refuse to upload a picture and leave us in limbo.
Dima, please pressure on Gabrielerasure... otherwise I may interpret these releases as counterfeit.
You're contradicting yourself, you said released from 1992. I just checked it says 1994.
Other strange thing is that the 1997 release is from "US", mastered at Nimbus, very similar to the "UK" from 1992.

I am respecting the Erasure fans and willing to go on in a one by one basis.
But If I were to act as *myself*, I would have removed everything you submitted.

Tin Soldier, the releases you mentioned have been removed and turned into a Draft, like said by djdustie.
However, I do think buddy maniac is/was operating with Dima.

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Isn't this the set from the guy from Russia in the picture with Mark?

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-From-Moscow-To-Mars-Party-Bundle/release/9735838

Did Mark actually meet Dima?


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Show me the picture. I can tell you if it's Dima.
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Isn't this the set from the guy from Russia

Yes 100% sure it is

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Did Mark actually meet Dima?

That would be kinda funny if true  



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They're on Discogs. Nothing you can do.


My mistake I thought you meant on here.


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Isn't this the set from the guy from Russia in the picture with Mark?

https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-From-Moscow-To-Mars-Party-Bundle/release/9735838

Did Mark actually meet Dima?


This is Grigory from Erasure.ru





Is this the photo you mean?
If it is that Grigory who used to run erasure.ru






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Is the user Jonh (Dima) going to be banned from here?
He messaged me telling me that he is not Dima, his name is Jonh like on his aviator (Obviously!) I messaged him back saying that if I changed my profile name to God it doesn't make me God. Not that he will get that no doubt!!
The lengths people like him are willing to go is amazing. I guess they have made so much dirty money from bootlegs that they don't want it to end. Well, all us honest fans will continue to do all we can to stop this as we should and he should be ashamed.
For an American Jonh doesn't come across as knowing the language that well now does he? Certainly not in how he write's it anyway.
Jonh my arse!
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I guess they have made so much dirty money from bootlegs that they don't want it to end.

That must be it yes!!

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Is the user Jonh (Dima) going to be banned from here?
He messaged me telling me that he is not Dima, his name is Jonh like on his aviator (Obviously!) I messaged him back saying that if I changed my profile name to God it doesn't make me God. Not that he will get that no doubt!!
The lengths people like him are willing to go is amazing. I guess they have made so much dirty money from bootlegs that they don't want it to end. Well, all us honest fans will continue to do all we can to stop this as we should and he should be ashamed.
For an American Jonh doesn't come across as knowing the language that well now does he? Certainly not in how he write's it anyway.
Jonh my arse!


'Dima Efimenko' has now changed his name on Facebook to 'Jonh Brown'

(Dima I know you're watching, so please stop what you're doing!!)



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He can ban them here, though.

Yes but providing Discogs IDs isn't really going to be much use, is it?
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Is the user Jonh (Dima) going to be banned from here?
He messaged me telling me that he is not Dima, his name is Jonh like on his aviator (Obviously!) I messaged him back saying that if I changed my profile name to God it doesn't make me God. Not that he will get that no doubt!!
The lengths people like him are willing to go is amazing. I guess they have made so much dirty money from bootlegs that they don't want it to end. Well, all us honest fans will continue to do all we can to stop this as we should and he should be ashamed.
For an American Jonh doesn't come across as knowing the language that well now does he? Certainly not in how he write's it anyway.
Jonh my arse!


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Good, well done Pughie, must be a nightmare for you to keep an eye out for suspicious members like him that keep joining any way they can! Not easy I'm sure and time-consuming too.
I have a feeling he finds it far too difficult to keep quiet though and will be easy to find when he inevitably tries to join again.
This has been good work by members in doing something about these bootlegs. As somebody that has been conned out of hundreds of pounds myself in bootlegs in the past I am of course fully behind anything to stop others being victims too.
Good community of people we have here I have to say!
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I still need people to come forward and name members who PM about any of these known fake items I don't want the E4M to be known as a place for this immoral selling of fake items


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Yes but providing Discogs IDs isn't really going to be much use, is it?


if you have knowlegde to any discogs ID's dealing with bootlegs I cant see whynot you should give the info, or am I missing something?!



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Is this the photo you mean?
If it is that Grigory who used to run erasure.ru


Yes, that's the photo I mean.

However, I was under the impression the user who goes by the name Twilight ran it, and that his name was Eugene aka Eu Jinn.

Not to indict all Russian Erasure fans, but I do hope all are not one and the same.


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I think Grigory has nothing to do with these fakers over there in Russia. What happen to his site, I use to help out in sending scans to put on his discography


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However, I was under the impression the user who goes by the name Twilight ran it, and that his name was Eugene aka Eu Jinn.



I think Grigory/Twilight are the same



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"AVIATOR" WAS REALLY FUNNY. LOL
He can't help himself.

This is Dima.
The prank I did – it's his photo.
This photo is supposed to be from the Erasure Fan Party where he got that entire fan package "From Moscow to Mars" CDRs.

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This is what I start to encourage the righteous to do.
Whenever a Unofficial item is marked, the Free text should go with a definition.
From the 6.15.3 Guidelines, we may use these definitions.

This my first experimentation, let's see if it catches or if it stirs up someone.

https://www.discogs.com/release/8436654
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It says correct 'unofficial' for the CD-R and the DVD-R, the entry has been made by Dima/Bumzy and the photos are of his own items. There are some original stuff mixed with some bootleg stuff so it's a bit tricky.....I'm a little twisted for this one!? If everything in the lot were fake and it were sold as original it were very easy, but this entry....hmmmmm



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Very much unofficial.  The DVD is obviously a homemade burned disc.  It can be proven fake by the fact that Erasure and Melissa Etheridge's Camp Christmas has never been officially released, just passed around in trade circles.


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To me a 'promo' item is a promotional item sent out before an official release to 'promote' the release. Thats why its called a 'promo'.

This item is being sold as a 'promo' but by the contents has been made after the event,the 12 track CD is just the 6 audio tracks from the live set at the M2M fan party,the other 6 tracks are just the tracks which featured on the free download you got when you pre-ordered the M2M box set.
The cards were handed out on the day by Grigory. The DVD is just a fan filmed recording of the live set & youtube rips of the Torsten singles etc (45 in total) which can all be seen on  youtube!!




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OK, that's struck from the database. Any more?
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So, looking at the photos, Grigory and Dima are not one and the same, or are my eyes going?


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So, looking at the photos, Grigory and Dima are not one and the same, or are my eyes going?

They are not the same




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Dima is really funny.

Removed - Pirate
Unofficial - YES
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Then appears as "Nightbutterfly"...

Thanks djdustie and others for striking this out.

I am having a problem currently, trying to strike out a counterfeit item (PSB Inner Sanctum CDr Unofficial).
The product is so well counterfeited that all votes were not to remove from DB. Item is from Ukraine (old Russia...)  

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Now Dima is Brown Jonh



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This is like the Interpol thread for Russian Bootlegging- well done, great detective work


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Now Dima is Brown Jonh


I found that a few days ago just by doing a facebook search, the lengths this guy is willing to go is incredible!
He seems to have Richard from EIS as a friend, I wonder if he is aware of what this guy is?
The scary thing is that I don't even think this guy does it as a piss-take, I think he is genuinely quite desperate and mad!
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He seems to have Richard from EIS as a friend, I wonder if he is aware of what this guy is?

He is  




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Now Dima is Brown Jonh



And know he suddenly lives in the UK  



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This on anyone's radar? Looks like the eBay seller has sold several before.



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ERASURE-THE-VIOLET-FLAME-ALTERNATE-EDITION-DOUBLE-CD-CDs-/112291490418

His whole history looks to be of sales of badly designed homemade CDs. Looks like he especially made a killing on fake George Michael ones.

His blog: http://thebestremixesare4u.blogspot.com (not sure he's even bothering with Discog entries)


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For a bootlegger he has positive feedback and goes under Postiveposting as a user name- has only 3 people negative exposé him


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Well, after a long thread in Discogs on how to mark these items as Counterfeit or Fraudulent items and make them ineligible to the Marketplace, the majority of users are in favor of not stressing out using the words Counterfeit and Fraudulent in Format Tag. And I'm dropping this. There is no way to fight this. I don't have the time to go through so many fake entries in Discogs and fight the very same people who want the Counterfeits to be just labelled simply as Unofficial. Dima got screwed up because he was too much of a dumb. But the others walked away a mile from that thread and will keep in the dark, silently. There is no way of reporting clearly on Marketplace if an item is Counterfeit or Illlegal. There are no options for that. Try it and you see  how vague it is. The whole system is designed to also make profit so they won't go harsh on the Dimas of life.

Well, CD's are almost done. We won't have singles by 2022.
I've seen tendency now for 12" and 7" singles only. LP's and CD should follow only the album.
These ways the labels will try to work a way around the counterfeiting by investing half analogue for enthusiasts and standard digital for average consumers.
So you can really take that by 2022, every Promo out there will only be a fake.

Cheers.

(I got a post removed here because of a word... but it's alright.)
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Well, after a long thread in Discogs on how to mark these items as Counterfeit or Fraudulent items and make them ineligible to the Marketplace, the majority of users are in favor of not stressing out using the words Counterfeit and Fraudulent in Format Tag. And I'm dropping this. There is no way to fight this. I don't have the time to go through so many fake entries in Discogs and fight the very same people who want the Counterfeits to be just labelled simply as Unofficial. Dima got screwed up because he was too much of a dumb. But the others walked away a mile from that thread and will keep in the dark, silently. There is no way of reporting clearly on Marketplace if an item is Counterfeit or Illlegal. There are no options for that. Try it and you see  how vague it is. The whole system is designed to also make profit so they won't go harsh on the Dimas of life.

Well, CD's are almost done. We won't have singles by 2022.
I've seen tendency now for 12" and 7" singles only. LP's and CD should follow only the album.
These ways the labels will try to work a way around the counterfeiting by investing half analogue for enthusiasts and standard digital for average consumers.
So you can really take that by 2022, every Promo out there will only be a fake.

Cheers.

(I got a post removed here because of a word... but it's alright.)



I thought that word to be offensive to some people so the post was removed,it's very rare I remove posts.


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It's a bit funny to ask if something is a "genuine Russian bootleg" now, but considering these don't pretend to be genuine label releases, yet still look as if they are CD-Rs, I have to ask:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Erasure-Club-74-The-Megamixes-Audio-CD/232245334300?orig_cvip=true
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Erasure-Club-74-The-Remixes-Audio-CD/232245334567?orig_cvip=true

I can see some appeal to collecting actual factory-made Russian releases (even if these aren't) as conversation pieces if they are dirt cheap, and no effort is made to pretend they are anything but what they are. Usually that doesn't happen on eBay but in local Russian record shops (in which asking too many questions, will get you escorted out).  


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It's a bit funny to ask if something is a "genuine Russian bootleg" now, but considering these don't pretend to be genuine label releases, yet still look as if they are CD-Rs, I have to ask:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Erasure-Club-74-The-Megamixes-Audio-CD/232245334300?orig_cvip=true
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Erasure-Club-74-The-Remixes-Audio-CD/232245334567?orig_cvip=true

I can see some appeal to collecting actual factory-made Russian releases (even if these aren't) as conversation pieces if they are dirt cheap, and no effort is made to pretend they are anything but what they are. Usually that doesn't happen on eBay but in local Russian record shops (in which asking too many questions, will get you escorted out).  

Well I think one these you can only see it if they are CD-R or not, if you will have a look on the burning side on these discs




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This is Dima for you in a nutshell-
This is a reply to someone who 'liked' the photo of a cd he was selling-



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This is Dima for you in a nutshell-
This is a reply to someone who 'liked' the photo of a cd he was selling-



Long Russian winter, need wood for stove


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Yeah...and people are a bit confused...that Dima became Jonh Brown and is now Brown Jonh   ....well you can't  blame them, right....actually they should have a warning against him, but for this one he is selling an official item  



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I think I'm gonna kill Dima.
So is it buy it or leave it then?
Let's see if he is bold enough when I shoot him.
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I think I'm gonna kill Dima

Please wait....I'll marry his sister first so I can get his collection....you guys can share the fake ones (a tiny use of irony can be found in this post )



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There is now need to kill anyone even in jest. That doesn't solve anything, he will come back to life again


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There is that phrase "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't".

I suppose if we know Dima, this pariah and black sheep, is the worst thing to happen to real Erasure fans, we know where the bottom is.  


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Thanks develob... for the tip.
That is indeed me and my wife.
He is using my picture on facebook.

Please I ask that you all denounce this profile as fake.
One can point that the real me is www.discogs.com/user/dbarros

Dima, don't think I can't prosecute you from here. I can.
I used your images are PRANKs because you are a STUPID idiot and you deserved it.
Now what you're doing is FELLONY BECAUSE I am not a criminal -- and you are.

If you don't remove my picture, I will have a WANTED flyer on you
and will have telephone contact, addresses and all kinds of information on you.
Remove my picture from that site.


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Now what you're doing is FELLONY BECAUSE I am not a criminal -- and you are.


In fairness he isn't a criminal until found guilty of his crimes by a court.
And two wrongs don't make a right.
You can't take the moral high ground when somebody does to you what you did to them.
Sounds to me like you crossed a line and got burnt.

I'd prefer it if we can just stick to pointing out what we think are fake promos instead of using this forum to broadcast personal threats.
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Dima/Bumzy were/is trying again messing up with a new profile 'Radiony' over at discogs, but people are aware and he is being followed. He's trying to activate the bootleg entries as official stuff  

Action taken against Dima/Bumzys entries: 6 unofficial entries completely removed



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Dima/Bumzy were/is trying again messing up with a new profile 'Radiony' over at discogs, but people are aware and he is being followed. He's trying to activate the bootleg entries as official stuff  



Radio you tried to join here last week I deleted it straightaway



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User virginia in Discogs is suspect to work with bumzy.
Dubious profile, joined 10 years ago.

I will call your attention to this:
http://www.pledgemusic.com/people/593857

A method to source out the fake promos.

My apologies to the forums and guys here when I was upset and posted hardcore images.
Apologies for calling "Dima" a criminal. We know, he is just not one
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User virginia in Discogs is suspect to work with bumzy.
Dubious profile, joined 10 years ago.

I will call your attention to this:
http://www.pledgemusic.com/people/593857

A method to source out the fake promos.

My apologies to the forums and guys here when I was upset and posted hardcore images.
Apologies for calling "Dima" a criminal. We know, he is just not one




Well in the case of Andy Bell Electric Blue 2017 I can verify that any promo sold by Dima is a FAKE as NO promos were made for this release at all.


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Quoted from dbarros

I will call your attention to this:
http://www.pledgemusic.com/people/593857


What is it?

Quoted from dbarros
User virginia in Discogs is suspect to work with bumzy.
Dubious profile


Hows that.....the profile is totally empty?!



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Okay,

You guys can keep pointing me the promos and I will select for removal.
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Apologies for calling "Dima" a criminal. We know, he is just not one


Well, let's not go crazy here.



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Well, let's not go crazy here.



Let's just leave DIMA there and move on. We know what his track record is already.


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Anyway, this thread will still be open if we need to be warned

By the way, I think Dima now is 'Jim Squarrel' on Facebook so be aware with selling/buying



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Be aware that "Love You to the Sky" has been released digitally.
Watch out for any promo CDR fakes that might come up over Ebay or Discogs.
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Indeed. This was why I asked (in other thread(s)) for those trustworthy members of the community to inform us whether they have seen or heard of legitimate promos that exist. The sooner we can get those documented and in the can (including CD-R manufacturer codes), the sooner we can nip any fakes in the bud.

I hope anyone active in UEC on Facebook, or any other active Erasure community, will spread the word so the real ones can be identified.


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Some all new fakes on eBay at the moment from a new seller,fake speciality of the day is the Mute/Sire labelled CD with the new Violet Flame logo advertising Love ago hate You mixes



Another with Wonderland mixes with the imaginatively named Pistol (Gun Mix) that must've taken ages to think up



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It's funny; I saw those this morning in an eBay email, and glanced right over them. That's what fakes have done to the market. If ever there were a "real" one, I'm more likely to let it slip by unnoticed now.


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I don't think eBay cares anymore, too many fakes out there


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If Richard or a Mute rep filed VERO complaints, I think they might.


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In case you wondered where the money went...



Unless that was you Flemming!  


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You know I saw myself in that lot of names. I don't think it was wise to put 5 pt type reversed out of a canvas background.it looks like mine was slightly off register in the LP size rendering names to look 3-D. As for doing this for the CD size, it needs to be seen under a microscope to find anyone's name


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You actually try 3D glasses?  


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You actually try 3D glasses?  


Waiting for my kraftwerk 3-d package to come in so I can see this more clearly. Seriously, it gives me a headache seeing All these names at that point size. It just looks like a wall of letters. I would have hated to be the typesetter who laid out the graphics on that one, that person probably has some vision issues now.


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Frankly, I think that Jez had some inside info.  


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I will say that this will not be seen by the general public when they buy the commercial edition.  so technically we have ourselves a limited edition to however many fans are inside this booklet. So it technically should be given its own catalog number FANSTUMM504


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Oh, I knew that going in, although I could see a lot thought the retail copy might have it.

Oh God, don't add a new catalogue number to this. It's already a nightmare, since the orange vinyl was given the same base catalogue number and barcode as the black vinyl, but supposedly Lexer had a different sleeve barcode, or didn't, which may have been what Pledge in Europe had, or hadn't.

It's a mess. Plus the USA CD has the UK catalogue number on the spine, presumably by accident when they modified the art copy...unless they wanted to enrage me specifically.


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Seriously doubt they will include this fan insert in any commercial copy. I could be wrong, but this in my opinion might be limited to this initial pressing.


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Seriously doubt they will include this fan insert in any commercial copy. I could be wrong, but this in my opinion might be limited to this initial pressing.


I'm certain it won't, and hasn't. I was never under the impression it would, but I saw some thought it might.


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In case you wondered where the money went...



Unless that was you Flemming!  


Hehe....no, not me...to Dima, to Bumzy....funny stuff!!



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So, they ripped folks off to pay for this? Those they ripped off should have their names in there instead!  


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Be careful what you wish for. DIMA and Burnzy will soon be selling new and improved bootlegs from deep Siberia. Look for a discog listing soon


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This guy willow_warbler aka Chris keeps selling some of the same CD-Rs downsideup73 did on eBay. Most especially, those "Black Sand" ones.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122559570527

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/willow_warbler/m.html
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/willow_warbler/m.html?&LH_Complete=1

Of course, downsideup73 still is as well.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/downsideup73/m.html
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/downsideup73/m.html?LH_Complete=1

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They are NOT homemade.

If in doubt, do not purchase."


Hilarious.

Then we have tanvi2002:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/tanvi2002/m.html
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/tanvi2002/m.html?LH_Complete=1

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"These are  factory produced high quality items in slim jewel cases. They are NOT homemade. Listened to once, in as new condition."


Never gets old.

Black Sand is also known as darkspringxl, and, interestingly enough, Chris Richards

https://soundcloud.com/black-sand-1
https://www.facebook.com/Blacksandremixes/
https://hearthis.at/bs17-1-rf/
http://blacksandremixrecycled.blogspot.com/

Anyhow, the amount of DM and PSB boots with listings that look the same as these is a dark hole one can get lost in. They may all be the same person, or not.


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That's why collecting legit stuff from legit sources is my only way to buy now. Too many scammers out there.


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Really, if you're a legit fan mixer wanting to be a legit commissioned mixer, like Matt Pop, Kwerty, etc, put your stuff out there until you get that call. Making a dime off it like this only alienates those you're aspiring to work for.


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Really, if you're a legit fan mixer wanting to be a legit commissioned mixer, like Matt Pop, Kwerty, etc, put your stuff out there until you get that call. Making a dime off it like this only alienates those you're aspiring to work for.


I have no idea no who is in and Who is out. This whole remixing biz has been around so long with fads that come and go and now your hot, now your not trend. I have just left to think why they are made now.


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I still don't understand why recordlabels/bands doesn't spend more time to tell what promo material and official stuff there are out, so it's more easy for collectors to see what is what  



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Because promos aren't for collectors!  I totally understand your point though devoleb.  It would certainly cut down on the bootlegging, but since the record label isn't making money on promotional items (in fact, I imagine they lose money making them), they probably don't care.


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I imagine they lose money making them

Maybe they do and maybe you're right in your saying, but in the end they should earn money by spreading out the music also via promotion, that's suppose to be why it's called promo....not meant for collectors I know, but they will end in many collectors collections and then again they will have a new life....I can't see the negative part there at all



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I think that promoting in general has changed. I'd imagine now in 2017 that radio management people don't listen to CDS sent. They just listen to file packages being promoted. So in reality why even press promos in the first place. I spoke to a local US radio rep and they never listen to CDs sent to them.


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I think that promoting in general has changed

Sure it has.....don't see much CD promotion no more...I've received loads of CD's since I've been DJing for many years and now it's almost only files sent out as promotion  



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Sure it has.....don't see much CD promotion no more...I've received loads of CD's since I've been DJing for many years and now it's almost only files sent out as promotion  


Thank you Devoleb
This has been on my mind who gets promo of physical copies anymore. I think almost all DJ now get file packages. They don't even do promo 12 anymore for DJ- that I know of


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Today I received an email from Vimeo stating that Dima Efimov has started following me. Is it another alias of Dima Efimenko?

https://vimeo.com/user8214221

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Today I received an email from Vimeo stating that Dima Efimov has started following me. Is it another alias of Dima Efimenko?

Dunno....could be!




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Thank you.

As long as I don't receive messages to sell my Erasure collection or buy his bootlegs, I'm not bothered if he wants to follow me on Vimeo.
In fact, my account has been inactive for quite a few years now, so it won't make much of a difference neither for him nor for me.

I only wanted everyone to be aware of this new alias (if it's him) just in case someone else starts being harassed by him under this new name.

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Thank you.

As long as I don't receive messages to sell my Erasure collection or buy his bootlegs, I'm not bothered if he wants to follow me on Vimeo.
In fact, my account has been inactive for quite a few years now, so it won't make much of a difference neither for him nor for me.

I only wanted everyone to be aware of this new alias (if it's him) just in case someone else starts being harassed by him under this new name.

César

Nice info. Don't like 'hunting' people like this, but you could say that he have been asking for this himself.....if we together can stop him and persons acting like him like that, from 'stealing' peoples money, I'll say it's ok  




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So it looks like Dima has a new business venture,CASSETTES!!





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I would imagine the hot demand for cassettes, but he keeps trying


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Saw those earlier today (still get FB emails!) and thought them old unlicensed Eastern Bloc/Third-world releases at best. Are we certain they are new fakes, and not old ones?


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Probably the someone dont think they fakes too and me as well cas i had bought on Discogs and saw a couple of times on Ebay



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Probably the someone dont think they fakes too and me as well cas i had bought on Discogs and saw a couple of times on Ebay




Goodbye DjSacred or shall we call you Dima?......... Stupid person (drops the mike)


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Probably the someone dont think they fakes too and me as well cas i had bought on Discogs and saw a couple of times on Ebay


Dima, Some of the tapes you are selling are official, but when you mix bootleg items and official tapes in the same picture and do not tell anything about it, people get suspicious.....and with all the bootlegs/fake items you've been dealing with many times, you can't blame people/fans that they think you're selling bootlegs again....the item must have been released from an official record label to call it real/official......russian bootlegs/fakes 'homemade' items you cannot call 'oficial' items and you know it......are you in doubt and don't know if it's an official item, you can ask around



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Goodbye DjSacred or shall we call you Dima?......... Stupid person (drops the mike)


I called him out in an earlier thread several weeks ago, but it seems someone deleted that one.


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Dima, Some of the tapes you are selling are official...


That's what I thought. Trojan Erasure tapes!  


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That's what I thought. Trojan Erasure tapes!  

Much easier to shout at him if everything is fake, but his collection is huge so obviously there will be official stuff between his items going out....shame that he cannot stick to deal with the 'real' stuff or at least tell when he is dealing with the fake stuff.....too many serious collectors don't like to be cheated on  



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Be aware!!

Well a new discogs user 'Loventas' has lately added some CDR promos

His site on discogs is here:
https://www.discogs.com/user/Loventas

....beware since many of them could be fakes and he is the only one having them and since many of them is 'new'....it could be Dima or a similar person handling with fakes.....and if Dima is watching in here (he probably is), then I'm sorry if I'm wrong

Here are some of the fakes I should think, sure I can be wrong big time, but it looks a little too fantastic....let me know if you know for a fact that I'm wrong here
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Just-A-Little-Love-Radio-Edit/release/11923597
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Just-A-Little-Love-/release/11866184
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Sacred-Radio-Edit/release/11932796
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-SACRED-Remixes/release/10207218
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Hits-The-Very-Best-Of-Erasure/release/11955962
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Storm-Chaser/release/11986794
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-World-Beyond-FeatEchoCollective/release/12078200
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-I-Could-Fall-In-Love-With-You/release/12091237
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-I-Could-Fall-In-Love-With-You/release/12091293



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Be aware!!

Well a new discogs user 'Loventas' has lately added some CDR promos

His site on discogs is here:
https://www.discogs.com/user/Loventas

....beware since many of them could be fakes and he is the only one having them and since many of them is 'new'....it could be Dima or a similar person handling with fakes.....and if Dima is watching in here (he probably is), then I'm sorry if I'm wrong

Here are some of the fakes I should think, sure I can be wrong big time, but it looks a little too fantastic....let me know if you know for a fact that I'm wrong here
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Just-A-Little-Love-Radio-Edit/release/11923597
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Just-A-Little-Love-/release/11866184
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Sacred-Radio-Edit/release/11932796
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-SACRED-Remixes/release/10207218
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Hits-The-Very-Best-Of-Erasure/release/11955962
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Storm-Chaser/release/11986794
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-World-Beyond-FeatEchoCollective/release/12078200
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-I-Could-Fall-In-Love-With-You/release/12091237
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-I-Could-Fall-In-Love-With-You/release/12091293


I think he buys authentic promos all around the world ... and sells multiple copies of each all around the world...
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I think the best thing in this day and age is leave all promos well alone unless you can be guaranteed its genuine.


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Which also leads me to believe how do record companies even do promotions now in the age of streaming. IS it really a viable means that will help? I don't see any promos anymore and I think the practice has ended unless someone has some current evidence otherwise.


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Which also leads me to believe how do record companies even do promotions now in the age of streaming. IS it really a viable means that will help? I don't see any promos anymore and I think the practice has ended unless someone has some current evidence otherwise.

I've stopped hunting down Erasure promos since I believe so many are bootlegs copies, but it would be nice to have a list from records label so you easily could remove the pirate stuff from for example discogs so fans wouldn't  get 'robbed' or at least know they are not legit or if they are real stuff from record labels?!



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I would love to know how record companies like Mute market and promote new music in the days now of streaming becoming the norm.


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HEADS UP to everyone - I believe Dima is back on discogs as user Loventas and is making and submitting fake promos again.  Loventas contacted me out of the blue to purchase 2 items from my collection (which are not for sale).  Viewing his profile, it looks like Dima.
https://www.discogs.com/user/Loventas

The first item I picked in his submission list, Make it Wonderful, is obviously fake with the CD reading "Loving Man (Knocking Gost Remix)"
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Make-It-Wonderful/release/12099483

Watch out for this jerk!  I will not respond and have blocked him.


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HEADS UP to everyone - I believe Dima is back on discogs as user Loventas and is making and submitting fake promos again.  Loventas contacted me out of the blue to purchase 2 items from my collection (which are not for sale).  Viewing his profile, it looks like Dima.
https://www.discogs.com/user/Loventas

The first item I picked in his submission list, Make it Wonderful, is obviously fake with the CD reading "Loving Man (Knocking Gost Remix)"
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Make-It-Wonderful/release/12099483

Watch out for this jerk!  I will not respond and have blocked him.



Also he has this Sometimes promo,since when did promos have Erasureinfo web address printed on them?


https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Sometimes-/release/12150283

Avoid this guy you’ll only lose your money on a homemade fake item


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HEADS UP to everyone - I believe Dima is back on discogs as user Loventas and is making and submitting fake promos again.  Loventas contacted me out of the blue to purchase 2 items from my collection (which are not for sale).  Viewing his profile, it looks like Dima.
https://www.discogs.com/user/Loventas

The first item I picked in his submission list, Make it Wonderful, is obviously fake with the CD reading "Loving Man (Knocking Gost Remix)"
https://www.discogs.com/Erasure-Make-It-Wonderful/release/12099483

Watch out for this jerk!  I will not respond and have blocked him.


He has several profiles, no doubt about that......be aware yes!!



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My 'I Lose Myself' remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVtrcNpw94
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After blocking Loventas, I was contacted by another user Glorey who I also blocked.  His profile looks the same.  Glorey said he was asked by a guy on the Russian Erasure forum to contact me because he didn't have an account on Discogs.
https://www.discogs.com/user/Glorey

"Coincidentally" I was also contacted by cdmaniax, who actually is a long-time, decent user as far as I know.  He said a friend of his (and himself) are looking for a certain CDR, would I sell it?  Dima is getting other people to contact others for him!

Jeez, Dima is persistent and crazy!  What a jerk.


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since when did promos have Erasureinfo web address printed on them?


Yeah I was going to mention that as well when I saw it on the Make It Wonderful promo.
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The Make It Wonderful Do It Yourself Remix-


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Now another message about the same item (which again is not for sale!) from Discogs user taljasik.  Blocked him as well.  This is getting ridiculous!


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Can't we get Liam Neeson to take care of this guy?


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Can't we get Liam Neeson to take care of this guy?

hehe



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Another message last night about the same items from Discogs user italo_boy.  He also seems to be a genuine, long-time user and signed his name Dmitriy - if he is not Dima, he must have been asked by Dima to write me about those discs.  He was blocked without response also.

Sorry to keep bumping this, but I just want to put these user names up for posterity.  In the last 5 days or so, I've gotten inquiries from:  Loventas, cdmaniax, Glorey, taljasik and italo_boy.  All seem to be based out of Russia except cdmaniax in Germany.


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Another message last night about the same items from Discogs user italo_boy.  He also seems to be a genuine, long-time user and signed his name Dmitriy - if he is not Dima, he must have been asked by Dima to write me about those discs.  He was blocked without response also.

Sorry to keep bumping this, but I just want to put these user names up for posterity.  In the last 5 days or so, I've gotten inquiries from:  Loventas, cdmaniax, Glorey, taljasik and italo_boy.  All seem to be based out of Russia except cdmaniax in Germany.

I think it's nice to have the info.....



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... and another message out of the blue from dimas1 who claims to "a huge collector of Erasure stuff from Budapest, Hungary."  He asked to buy my collection (!) but did not ask for anything specific.  Signed his name "D."  Could this also be Dima?


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... and another message out of the blue from dimas1 who claims to "a huge collector of Erasure stuff from Budapest, Hungary."  He asked to buy my collection (!) but did not ask for anything specific.  Signed his name "D."  Could this also be Dima?

Could be, he has loads of profiles....probably he's still looking in here....





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Oh DIMA, looking to get originals to mass produce


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Oh DIMA, looking to get originals to mass produce


Yet he seems to make promos that have never existed,like the Make It Wonderful promo he added the knocking ghost remix.



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Yet he seems to make promos that have never existed,like the Make It Wonderful promo he added the knocking ghost remix.



It's a really sick habit  



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It's a really sick habit  


No. It's a crime.



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Could this be Dima or a similar 'fake-maker'?

https://www.discogs.com/user/Loventas

He has loads of CD-R promos I've never seen before, and he's the only one having them....check it out!!

https://www.discogs.com/user/Loventas

...same goes for this fella

https://www.discogs.com/user/HonzikPalich



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I posted a few months ago in this thread that I believe Loventas is Dima with a new username.

He contacted me on Discogs out of the blue, I blocked him, and soon after was contacted by several other users wanting the same items (which are not for sale).  When I blocked one, someone else would contact me - though lately it has stopped.  He may not be behind every account, but may be getting others to do the contacting for him (possibly through Russian forums).

Slimeball.  Avoid!


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I posted a few months ago in this thread that I believe Loventas is Dima with a new username.

That's right...sorry




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Not too sure where to put this post as could easily go in ‘eBay items of interest’.

This is a bootleg of the Tiny Tour,but what annoys me more is the mishmash Of styles etc.
The photo is clearly early Wonderland era,the tour is Cowboy era,yet the logo is Sniw Globe era!



https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F163327311244


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The photo is clearly early Wonderland


To be fair, I believe the cover of the Tiny Tour programme itself also used an older picture (it's early Innocents I think), so arguably the bootleg CD
is in-keeping with the tour. The Snow Globe logo not so much though!




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